RVer Fueling In The Truck Lanes Question.

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Noob_Driver's Comment
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I have never used any parts of my 30 to fuel so far. I understand it as my personal time. Fueling means working for a boss. Why would I fuel his truck on my personal time?

Not sure if your aware but any on duty time not driving that adds up to 30 minutes will complete your 30. So for example you go to a drop and spend 10 minutes on yard move checking in and backing in your spot. Then 10 more minutes on duty for your loading or drop and hook time then 10 minutes off duty you've completed your 30. I'm curious if people have noticed more people taking 30s at fuel islands since the rule change or not. I run early usually starting at 2am or earlier and if a fuel island is empty I can shamefully admit to doing a 30. On the flip side at busy fuel islands I've unwittingly completed my 30 while fueling because it took so long. I didnt even have to clean my windows 6 times like I do at 2am to look busy. rofl-2.gif

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

Kerry L.'s Comment
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I have never used any parts of my 30 to fuel so far. I understand it as my personal time. Fueling means working for a boss. Why would I fuel his truck on my personal time?

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Not sure if your aware but any on duty time not driving that adds up to 30 minutes will complete your 30. So for example you go to a drop and spend 10 minutes on yard move checking in and backing in your spot. Then 10 more minutes on duty for your loading or drop and hook time then 10 minutes off duty you've completed your 30. I'm curious if people have noticed more people taking 30s at fuel islands since the rule change or not. I run early usually starting at 2am or earlier and if a fuel island is empty I can shamefully admit to doing a 30. On the flip side at busy fuel islands I've unwittingly completed my 30 while fueling because it took so long. I didnt even have to clean my windows 6 times like I do at 2am to look busy. rofl-2.gif

Doesn't the 30-minute break have to be "Off Duty"? I am not an experienced driver, so this is based on what I that I had understood from what I have read, what was instructed during CDL school, and what was explained when covering HOS during my week at TransAm.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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I have never used any parts of my 30 to fuel so far. I understand it as my personal time. Fueling means working for a boss. Why would I fuel his truck on my personal time?

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Not sure if your aware but any on duty time not driving that adds up to 30 minutes will complete your 30. So for example you go to a drop and spend 10 minutes on yard move checking in and backing in your spot. Then 10 more minutes on duty for your loading or drop and hook time then 10 minutes off duty you've completed your 30. I'm curious if people have noticed more people taking 30s at fuel islands since the rule change or not. I run early usually starting at 2am or earlier and if a fuel island is empty I can shamefully admit to doing a 30. On the flip side at busy fuel islands I've unwittingly completed my 30 while fueling because it took so long. I didnt even have to clean my windows 6 times like I do at 2am to look busy. rofl-2.gif

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Doesn't the 30-minute break have to be "Off Duty"? I am not an experienced driver, so this is based on what I that I had understood from what I have read, what was instructed during CDL school, and what was explained when covering HOS during my week at TransAm.

In theory, YES. Do all drivers adhere?!? Hmm...... idk!

~ Anne ~

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Bird-One's Comment
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I thought they just recently changed the rule. You can now take 30 minute break on duty.

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I have never used any parts of my 30 to fuel so far. I understand it as my personal time. Fueling means working for a boss. Why would I fuel his truck on my personal time?

double-quotes-end.png

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Not sure if your aware but any on duty time not driving that adds up to 30 minutes will complete your 30. So for example you go to a drop and spend 10 minutes on yard move checking in and backing in your spot. Then 10 more minutes on duty for your loading or drop and hook time then 10 minutes off duty you've completed your 30. I'm curious if people have noticed more people taking 30s at fuel islands since the rule change or not. I run early usually starting at 2am or earlier and if a fuel island is empty I can shamefully admit to doing a 30. On the flip side at busy fuel islands I've unwittingly completed my 30 while fueling because it took so long. I didnt even have to clean my windows 6 times like I do at 2am to look busy. rofl-2.gif

double-quotes-end.png

Doesn't the 30-minute break have to be "Off Duty"? I am not an experienced driver, so this is based on what I that I had understood from what I have read, what was instructed during CDL school, and what was explained when covering HOS during my week at TransAm.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Rob T.'s Comment
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I thought they just recently changed the rule. You can now take 30 minute break on duty.

They did. Your 30 minute break is now satisfied using any combination of On Duty (like fueling, checking in, unloading a store etc.), yard move, off duty or sleeper berth. As long as you're not on the drive line for 30 consecutive minutes your break is satisfied. Its also nice when our warehouse holds me up and I wait a couple hours my 8 hour clock for needing break doesn't begin until I'm hitting the drive line as I leave our yard.

Most stores I'm inside over 30 minutes so my 8 hour clock starts back over. To be honest I usually end up taking a hour paid break at the very end of my day at a new caseys truck stop 1 mile from our yard. Unless I'm tired and need a nap during the day or if taking it would put me over my 14 hour clock which they'll just tack on an extra hour of pay for me.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Turtle's Comment
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Doesn't the 30-minute break have to be "Off Duty"?

No, it just needs to be not on the drive line. On-duty, off-duty, sleeper, PC, yard move, or any continuous combination thereof equalling 30 minutes counts. This went into effect a year or two ago with the new HOS rules

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Bruce K.'s Comment
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Doesn't the 30-minute break have to be "Off Duty"?

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No, it just needs to be not on the drive line. On-duty, off-duty, sleeper, PC, yard move, or any continuous combination thereof equalling 30 minutes counts. This went into effect a year or two ago with the new HOS rules

Turtle, when you say “continuous “ is that the same as “uninterrupted “?

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Turtle's Comment
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Yes, as in no drive line at all for at least 30 minutes.

Kerry L.'s Comment
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I thought they just recently changed the rule. You can now take 30 minute break on duty.

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They did. Your 30 minute break is now satisfied using any combination of On Duty (like fueling, checking in, unloading a store etc.), yard move, off duty or sleeper berth. As long as you're not on the drive line for 30 consecutive minutes your break is satisfied. Its also nice when our warehouse holds me up and I wait a couple hours my 8 hour clock for needing break doesn't begin until I'm hitting the drive line as I leave our yard.

Most stores I'm inside over 30 minutes so my 8 hour clock starts back over. To be honest I usually end up taking a hour paid break at the very end of my day at a new caseys truck stop 1 mile from our yard. Unless I'm tired and need a nap during the day or if taking it would put me over my 14 hour clock which they'll just tack on an extra hour of pay for me.

That makes a lot of sense because I went through school over a year ago (June 2020) and weeklong training at TransAm over a year ago (August 2020). Thank you for the information.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Kerry L.'s Comment
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Doesn't the 30-minute break have to be "Off Duty"?

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No, it just needs to be not on the drive line. On-duty, off-duty, sleeper, PC, yard move, or any continuous combination thereof equalling 30 minutes counts. This went into effect a year or two ago with the new HOS rules

I believe it likely went into effect a year ago or slightly more because the more I think on it, the more that I am convinced that we were taught at TransAm that our 30 had to be Off Duty or Sleeper.

Anyway, glad that I have this updated information. Always appreciated.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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