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Ryan B.'s Comment
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Bruce expressed frustration as to some of the rhetoric on this forum. I didn't post anything in response because it would have only inflamed the issue without providing anything of value to the forum. Nonetheless, I have similar feelings.

This forum is just becoming too draining, for me. Every time I post something, I have to anticipate what I am posting being taken to an extreme. I am tired of posting comments, someone responding and coming at me because of something that I have written, and then my legitimate response gets denied by moderators. I don't mind legitimate discussion, to include being challenged. I have a serious problem with being challenged and then my honest response being foiled. It's not a matter of false information because I have had comments not pass moderation where I am stating thoughts that are similar to those posted by moderators. The final straw for me is someone calling Bruce's integrity into question and that being a perfectly acceptable post while me pointing out that posting frustration with signage doesn't mean that I am not doing my job with trip planning.

As to why people go out this way instead of just disappearing from public forums, it's to prevent people from wondering or speculating what happened to so and so. You have it straight from my virtual keyboard as to what happened to me.

The handful of people who have recently started training and those who have made decisions to start soon, I wish you the best. Trust your trainers and let them be your first source of information sought. The safety officer at your company/terminal is also a source of valuable information. Ask safety about any questions you have. This safety officer will never lie to you about anything pertaining to the legalities of safely operating your truck, so when you are not sure about something being legal, talk to your safety department. This forum has an immense amount of quality information and there are many drivers here who have already faced any difficult situation that you may encounter.

Might I be back, at some point? It's certainly possible. For the time being, I am going to focus on my family, my career, and myself. Take care all. Be safe out there drivers.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Banks's Comment
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Bruce expressed frustration as to some of the rhetoric on this forum.

It's not rhetoric and Bruce's problem was with a single member, not the site. As you can see in the responses, most people don't agree with his opinion. He took a cooling off period and he's easing back in to a welcoming community.

This forum is just becoming too draining, for me

So don't post. If something is draining, avoid it. Things will be fine here.

I am tired of posting comments, someone responding and coming at me because of something that I have written, and then my legitimate response gets denied by moderators.

Because you have a need to be right. Been through it with you and even when you're wrong you'll keep pushing insisting you're right. I can't speak for moderators, but a lot of that stuff will not make it through.

The final straw for me is someone calling Bruce's integrity into question and that being a perfectly acceptable post

It's possible that Moe isn't on moderation, I'm not. My comments post immediately. That comes with time and trust. When the mods feel you're here for the right reasons and have a solid baseline of what this site is, you'll be good to go. Unfortunately, you're stubborn and argumentative. It's easy to see why they don't give you the freedom to post and I can imagine some of the stuff they didn't approve based on what was approved.

You have it straight from my virtual keyboard as to what happened to me.

I'll use a Moe quote here...."Not to be an Ahole" but I don't think anybody will ask "where's Ryan?"

The handful of people who have recently started training and those who have made decisions to start soon, I wish you the best.

That's nice, but like the old saying goes fill one hand with poop and the other with wishes, see which one fills up first.

New people need information and good advice, not bickering and insisting on being right.

Might I be back, at some point?

Nobody cares.

For the time being, I am going to focus on my family, my career, and myself. 

That may be best.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Bird-One's Comment
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Ryan don’t get sucked into Bruce’s dramatic’s. He has never conducted himself in a serious manner on this forum. Because of his track record yes his story of being sent out to rescue Susie the trucker was called into question. But that would of went for anybody here. There has been two separate occasions over the years my comments were also on moderation. The second time over a year. Both times were warranted. If you don’t agree with something. Let it go. Not worth arguing over it. Use this site to learn and ask questions. Once you can prove you are looking to post things of substance. And not challenging everything. You’ll be alright. This forum can be a great tool like it is for me. No reason why it has to be “draining” for you.

Klutch's Comment
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The one thing this forum does not need is drama. Not only does it deter current drivers from coming here and contributing but it gives new potential drivers a horrible impression.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Ryan, we love the fact that you're so engaged and that you want to help others. It's commendable.

Unfortunately, you're at a stage of your career where it feels to you like you have figured out more than you have. Your advice is unreliable. Most of the time, you give solid advice. Other times you don't. Naturally, it all seems correct to you, so you get angry when we don't approve your comments. The truth is you're still at a stage in your career where you should ask about five questions for every question you try to answer. I know it doesn't feel that way to you, but it does to drivers who have been in the industry for many years.

You also spend an inordinate amount of time critiquing the other members of this forum or the way we run it. You create a lot of drama.

The most helpful forum I've ever found is a website called StackOverflow. It's for programmers. There are absolutely no shenanigans allowed. If you create any sort of drama, you're out. If you answer a question incorrectly or someone has a better answer, yours will get downvoted. If you get too many downvotes, you no longer get to answer questions.

It's a brilliant system. It's incredibly strict but fair. The community polices itself. You earn credit by answering a ton of questions correctly and getting very few downvotes. Over time, the cream rises to the top, and those at the top become the forum police.

That's kind of what we have here. Those who prove themselves to be trustworthy are allowed to post without moderation. Those who are unreliable go into moderation.

Your situation is simple. You just don't have the experience yet to offer all the answers you'd like to. Some things you have figured out pretty well, others you haven't. Some of our superstar members went through the same thing with us early on. They were in moderation and weren't too happy with how we ran things. They felt singled out. Over time they learned how our community operates, they learned more about the industry, and they became some of our most valuable members.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Moe's Comment
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If this I’m response to what I said to BK (Bruce?? His name?? I’m trying to keep track of names correctly) about his incident in checking on a fellow driver who was in some sort of distress, I’ll apologize for how I came off, I’ve been dealing with a very ill family memeber (mother) and yesterday we went to her palliative/hospice/ end of life care doctor for a sobering appointment and I was not in the best of moods, going forward I’ll limit my responses to times when I’m not consumed by family life, I came off more blunt than I intended.

Ryan - this is an excellent forum, the information I’ve been given and the challenges have helped me to realize almost $65 grand this year and we haven’t hit 12/31 yet. Please man take it in stride, Brett, Packrat, Gtown et al really just want people to excel in all they do in life (not just trucking).

Take care man

Bruce expressed frustration as to some of the rhetoric on this forum. I didn't post anything in response because it would have only inflamed the issue without providing anything of value to the forum. Nonetheless, I have similar feelings.

This forum is just becoming too draining, for me. Every time I post something, I have to anticipate what I am posting being taken to an extreme. I am tired of posting comments, someone responding and coming at me because of something that I have written, and then my legitimate response gets denied by moderators. I don't mind legitimate discussion, to include being challenged. I have a serious problem with being challenged and then my honest response being foiled. It's not a matter of false information because I have had comments not pass moderation where I am stating thoughts that are similar to those posted by moderators. The final straw for me is someone calling Bruce's integrity into question and that being a perfectly acceptable post while me pointing out that posting frustration with signage doesn't mean that I am not doing my job with trip planning.

As to why people go out this way instead of just disappearing from public forums, it's to prevent people from wondering or speculating what happened to so and so. You have it straight from my virtual keyboard as to what happened to me.

The handful of people who have recently started training and those who have made decisions to start soon, I wish you the best. Trust your trainers and let them be your first source of information sought. The safety officer at your company/terminal is also a source of valuable information. Ask safety about any questions you have. This safety officer will never lie to you about anything pertaining to the legalities of safely operating your truck, so when you are not sure about something being legal, talk to your safety department. This forum has an immense amount of quality information and there are many drivers here who have already faced any difficult situation that you may encounter.

Might I be back, at some point? It's certainly possible. For the time being, I am going to focus on my family, my career, and myself. Take care all. Be safe out there drivers.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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I read through this thread multiple times and sincerely do not understand how Ryan spun the exchange on signage to be an attack on him not doing his job. Did you actually read all of the advice exchanged here Ryan? No stone unturned! Really great stuff!

Not always about you being “right” or the center of attention Ryan, but a learning experience for everyone, including experienced drivers and moderators.

And the thread on signage was a great example of how it works here. I absolutely deleted your reply that was nothing but you defending yourself and critiquing other members for accusing you of not doing your job. Too much drama, added zero value…so into the trash it went.

Papa Pig's Comment
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When training my students as they get frustrated while shifting , hitting curbs, drivin in general.. I like to tell them “ drive with your brain and your eyes” leave your emotions out of the equation. The same thing can be said with posting on the internet. Take a breath , not everyone is gonna agree with you. Doesn’t mean the whole site is bad nor that all of your ideas are bad

NaeNaeInNC's Comment
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Mind if I steal this? I have to remind myself of that in some situations.

When training my students as they get frustrated while shifting , hitting curbs, drivin in general.. I like to tell them “ drive with your brain and your eyes” leave your emotions out of the equation. The same thing can be said with posting on the internet. Take a breath , not everyone is gonna agree with you. Doesn’t mean the whole site is bad nor that all of your ideas are bad

Sandman J's Comment
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I reminded myself of that this morning before I went out for my road drive and it was the best one I've had to-date! Thanks Papa Pig!

“drive with your brain and your eyes” leave your emotions out of the equation.

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