Being A Trainee At Prime Is An Awful Experience.

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Brett Aquila's Comment
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Indalecio, believe me we're all aware of the fact that training is no bed of roses. In fact, many of us have said that teaming with a trainer can be the toughest part of the entire learning process.

One thing you'll want to do is learn how to communicate your feelings the right way. You're a student in training. You want to be cool about it. Be humble. Calling veteran drivers "toxic" when they say how tough this career is (which you did in a different conversation) and making demands and publicly criticizing people isn't the way to help yourself through this process.

So far you've ruffled the feathers of every veteran you've come across, whether it's in PSD , TNT , or in this forum. You should make it a goal not to do that anymore. You can tell your trainer that you don't think you're a good match and you'd like to request a new one. No big deal. He keeps the heat too high and he doesn't let you take your sweet time exercising. Those are not crimes, and they're certainly not worth making enemies over. Just request a new trainer. No big deal.

Try like crazy to be humble and get along with people, especially as a brand new student driver. If you have what it takes to make it in this career you're going to look back someday and you're going to be the grizzled veteran who's able to look at people and tell right away who is going to make it in this business and who isn't. When you reach that status you'll understand quite well where we're coming from.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

PSD:

Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.

TNT:

Trainer-N-Trainee

Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.

The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.

The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.

Banks's Comment
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View it from his side. He's an owner operator with a truck note and expenses. Stopping for 45 minutes so you can work out is about 50 miles to him. Over the course of 6 days that's 300 miles he'd lose. He doesn't have you in his truck because he cares if you succeed, you're there so he can make more money. Take the time for what it's meant for, practice. Keep in your head that it's temporary and it'll be over soon enough. You have a light at the end of the tunnel, be grateful.

Owner Operator:

An owner-operator is a driver who either owns or leases the truck they are driving. A self-employed driver.

G-Town's Comment
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Banks assumes:

He doesn't have you in his truck because he cares if you succeed, you're there so he can make more money.

A trainer's primary job is to train, and they definitely myst have a vested interest in their students success. Their very life and livelihood depends on it. Do you truely believe an under performing student will make their trainer money? Not likely...

If a trainer is in "it" for only the extra money, then eventually apathy and ambivalence will force Prime (in this case) to revoke trainer status.

Banks's Comment
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Banks assumes:

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He doesn't have you in his truck because he cares if you succeed, you're there so he can make more money.

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A trainer's primary job is to train, and they definitely myst have a vested interest in their students success. Their very life and livelihood depends on it. Do you truely believe an under performing student will make their trainer money? Not likely...

If a trainer is in "it" for only the extra money, then eventually apathy and ambivalence will force Prime (in this case) to revoke trainer status.

That's definitely the idea but not the reality. Run down the horror stories on this site alone. Trainers job is to make sure you know how to properly operate the vehicle, interact with customers and handle your hours. They don't care if you're successful or if you're able to get your workouts in. That's not to say that's all trainers, I've heard of some great ones, but let's not act like all trainers have a huge interest in a trainee's success. They can't wait to get you off the truck like you can't wait to get off yourself.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Banks, your profile says you're a student in training, correct? Actually I don't think you're even in training yet. Do us all a favor and stop talking about the realities of life in this industry. You don't know the first thing about it. I'm already sick of hearing you constantly criticizing everyone as if you've earned that place.

G-Town's Comment
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Banks taking G-Town to task:

I've heard of some great ones, but let's not act like all trainers have a huge interest in a trainee's success. They can't wait to get you off the truck like you can't wait to get off yourself.

Really?

Not acting Banks. Did I say they all have a vested interest in a students success? No, not even implied. I said they should and explained why they should and what could happen if they don't.

Thing is, it's rare that drivers write about the good experiences. Very rare. My experience was very good. Bad trainers are not in the majority.

What I said? Take it or leave it,...done debating it.

Banks's Comment
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I apologize if I came off as criticizing anyone or argumentative. That wasn't my intent. I'm trying to convey the perception of somebody doing research and what I'm finding. Primes program is great on the surface but a lot of people seem to be having trouble with it. I've read through Pauls experience, the OP and papa bear. I think of it this way: you need repairs on your truck so you go on Yelp. One shop is advertised as the best, but has a bunch of bad reviews and a small amount of good ones. Would you take your truck there?

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Id weigh the reviews. If I read someone expected the shop to replace a transmission for $100, then stomped and cried so.much they got a huge discount off the regular price, then complained the work took too long or the yhe warranty wasny good enough, although he was informed of this earlier....then, no. i wouldnt trust the reviews.

if ypu read the bad reviews of prime, they are almost all drivers who went through training and went right into a lease situation without any knowledge or experience. They then couldnt cut it.

Are there bad trainers? of course. Does every compamy have good and bad qualities? Absolutely.

Is prime perfect? no. But when they are informed of problems, they fix them. If someone doesnt speak up, then who is to blame? Someone on this forum had several accidemts and was given the option of going back into training rather than being terminated. That driver declined, then bashed the company. Many other companies would not have offered, they would have just terminated the driver.

Some people have very different expectatioms of trucking life and training. I love the ones who start wiyh "my family has been in trucking for 3 decades, so i kmow everything". the heck they do

Im a woman. The weaker sex. I got through training, and some pretty bad experiences but i wanted this, knew training was temporary and mad eit happen because i already lnew...what even the OP said, thst prime is a great company that wants its drivers happy.

So what makes me so different from those who fail? What makes Miss Myoshi, Diver Driver, Kanelin, Christian, Icecold, Ernie Turtle, Adam,and so.many others so different. Are we all lying or stupid?

no. we persevered and succeeded .

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Banks's Comment
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Id weigh the reviews. If I read someone expected the shop to replace a transmission for $100, then stomped and cried so.much they got a huge discount off the regular price, then complained the work took too long or the yhe warranty wasny good enough, although he was informed of this earlier....then, no. i wouldnt trust the reviews.

if ypu read the bad reviews of prime, they are almost all drivers who went through training and went right into a lease situation without any knowledge or experience. They then couldnt cut it.

Are there bad trainers? of course. Does every compamy have good and bad qualities? Absolutely.

Is prime perfect? no. But when they are informed of problems, they fix them. If someone doesnt speak up, then who is to blame? Someone on this forum had several accidemts and was given the option of going back into training rather than being terminated. That driver declined, then bashed the company. Many other companies would not have offered, they would have just terminated the driver.

Some people have very different expectatioms of trucking life and training. I love the ones who start wiyh "my family has been in trucking for 3 decades, so i kmow everything". the heck they do

Im a woman. The weaker sex. I got through training, and some pretty bad experiences but i wanted this, knew training was temporary and mad eit happen because i already lnew...what even the OP said, thst prime is a great company that wants its drivers happy.

So what makes me so different from those who fail? What makes Miss Myoshi, Diver Driver, Kanelin, Christian, Icecold, Ernie Turtle, Adam,and so.many others so different. Are we all lying or stupid?

no. we persevered and succeeded .

I agree. Your attitude makes all the difference. It doesn't change that there are some bad eggs. I'm taking everything with a grain of salt. I just want to make sure I make the best decision possible. Doesn't matter if I'm paying out of pocket or trading a year for training. Learn from others successes and mistakes.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
andhe78's Comment
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I apologize if I came off as criticizing anyone or argumentative. That wasn't my intent. I'm trying to convey the perception of somebody doing research and what I'm finding. Primes program is great on the surface but a lot of people seem to be having trouble with it. I've read through Pauls experience, the OP and papa bear. I think of it this way: you need repairs on your truck so you go on Yelp. One shop is advertised as the best, but has a bunch of bad reviews and a small amount of good ones. Would you take your truck there?

A lot of people may be having trouble with Prime’s training, but obviously thousands of drivers didn’t. That’s what I found when researching companies-for every complaint online, there are dozens of drivers working for the same company with no complaints.

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