Metal Coil Frustration.

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Art A.'s Comment
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I know people probably have spoken about this and the fact it doesn’t exist in many states.

I have taken the metal coil Endorsement 3 times and have failed. Yes I have taken the metal coil practice tests via this website and have passed.

On my first test I failed on the 14 th question. The second test in the 19 th and the 3rd on the fifth.

Either I am lacking some common sense or I have not read the book enough times.

I have read the damn thing twice. I have taken and passed every single endorsement on my first try. The metal coil is the last one.

I am beyond frustrated, feeling as though the booklet they give me is outdated. Trying to reason that there is something wrong.

I have recalled a few questions from the test. The wording may not be accurate but I don’t understand a few things.

So here goes. The question is not the phrasing as the test.

1. A 30,000 lb metal coil is in the vertical position it is secured by 3 Indirect tie downs. The minimum of each tie down is.

A. 10,000 lbs B. 5,000 lbs C. 30,000 lbs

2. A metal coil with eyes vertical is 30,000 lbs and is in a van trailer. The indirect tie downs are how much / or rated what?

A. 30,000 lbs B. 5,000 lbs C, 10,000 lbs

3. 3/8 chain is rated with 5,400 lbs. the chain should have a rating of? ( the chart is on page 2.8 of the booklet )

A. G70 B. H C. HT

( I think the answer is ” H “ )

4. A metal coil is lengthwise. What method of tie downs should be used?

A. 2 Indirect tiedowns parallel through the eye.

B. 2 Indirect tie downs through the eyeb forming an “ X “ .

C. Two tie downs of the top of the coil .

( I chose the parallel option on my last test and it auto failed for me, because I swear the “ 2 over the top was wrong since the picture showed one Indirect tiedown over the top ).

Thank you for your time. Note: I just want all of the endorsements. I have obtained the passenger and the school bus. I don’t want to drive a couch bus or a school bus.

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Old School's Comment
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Have you tried using the training materials we have for the New York coil endorsement? You'll find it in the High Road CDL Training Program. It's a great teaching tool that will probably help you learn the materials.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Old School's Comment
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Hey Art, are you working as a flatbed driver?

Art A.'s Comment
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Not working as a flatbed driver. I have have looked through the 5 questionnaires and the questions on then NY test aren’t covered there. Which is why I tried to word them as much as I could. The metal coil with Indirect tie downs is the one which makes no sense to me.

I worked as a city driver and don’t understand where the anchor points would be in a van. That thing was a fragile as a tin can. ( I seen a fork lift shred the wall ).

Some of the things such as tarps are not on the ny metal coil test. ( the difference between this website and the test itself, not that I don’t appreciate it ).

I have a joke with a friend of mine that soon after passing the exam, ny will have statement explaining the metal coil is no longer required.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Art, you have no scores listed in our High Road CDL Training Program. You haven't used it, or at least you haven't used it properly, because you haven't done any of the questions.

Come on, man.

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CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Chris M's Comment
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I agree that you should do the high road training, but I haul a lot of steel coils (have one right now as a matter of fact) so I'll help with the questions asked.

First off, the definition of direct tie-down VS indirect tie-down is important.

A direct tie-down is when your chain is connected from the side of the trailer, directly to the coil. A direct tie-down only counts for 50% of its wll, when calculating your aggregate (see q1 below) wll.

An indirect tie-down is when your chain is connected to one side of the trailer, goes through or over the coil, and is connected to the opposite side of the trailer. This counts as 100% of its wll when calculating the aggregate wll.

So answering your questions:

1) The answer would be "B" because the sum of the wll of all of your tie-downs, known as your aggregate working load limit, must equal 50% of the total weight of the item you're securing. So the coil weighs 30,000 lbs, with 3 tie-downs each one would have to be a minimum of 5,000 lbs wll to equal 15,000 lbs of aggragate wll.

2) This would be the same answer as question 1, assuming using 3 tie-downs.

3) Your chains are a G70 rating.

4) A coil with eye lengthwise, commonly known as "shotgun" must have a minimum of 2 indirect tie-downs forming an "X" through the eye of the coil. (Note: that applies to shotgun loaded coils only. Coils loaded with the eye to the side should not have x-crossed chains)

Turtle's Comment
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Hi Art, first let me say that you simply have to study the New York State metal coil endorsement section of the High Road CDL Training Program. All the answers are right there, very easy to see and understand.

I think it would be doing you a disservice to give you the answers to your questions. However, I will point out where I think you're making your mistakes:

Question #1- Not really that hard, and it applies to all cargo, not just metal coils. Indirect tiedowns need to provide in total at minimum 50% of cargo weight. So it you have three tiedowns for a 30k load, each tiedown must be rated at least...?

#2- Same as #1 if the question is worded correctly.

#3- Clearly answered on the chart in the HRTP

#4- They aren't asking you to answer based on a picture. They're asking which of the three would be the proper method. *Hint. They're trying to trick you with the definition of "direct" and "indirect" tiedown.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
∆_Danielsahn_∆'s Comment
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The NY state coil endorsement test had several questions not covered in the Highroads. It took me to my 4th try to pass it. I even read through the state cdl manual and the questions were not there, either.

Have you tried using the training materials we have for the New York coil endorsement? You'll find it in the High Road CDL Training Program. It's a great teaching tool that will probably help you learn the materials.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Turtle's Comment
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Chris L, I know that you know your stuff brother, but I have to disagree with you on question 4.

The answer would be C, because any tie-down going through the eye of the coil would be "direct", not "indirect". At least that's how I learned it.

LDRSHIP's Comment
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Not working as a flatbed driver. I have have looked through the 5 questionnaires and the questions on then NY test aren’t covered there. Which is why I tried to word them as much as I could. The metal coil with Indirect tie downs is the one which makes no sense to me.

I worked as a city driver and don’t understand where the anchor points would be in a van. That thing was a fragile as a tin can. ( I seen a fork lift shred the wall ).

Some of the things such as tarps are not on the ny metal coil test. ( the difference between this website and the test itself, not that I don’t appreciate it ).

I have a joke with a friend of mine that soon after passing the exam, ny will have statement explaining the metal coil is no longer required.

If you are NOT working as a flatbedder and will NOT be working as a flatbedder; you have no need for the endorsement. Just skip it as it is already a waste of your energy and money.

Now, if you are planning on going into flatbedding, then it will definitely be a useful endorsement. Or you can just move to a different state and not have to worry about it at all.

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