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Christian T.'s Comment
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The company is standing by the critical events, saying they are all valid, when they are literally all completely nonsense

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Christian, these kind of remarks is what makes your tale seem implausible. I noticed you also stated your DBL mentioned insubordination - that adds another twist to this crazy situation.

You describe the critical events as "complete nonsense." Schneider claims they are valid. Somebody has reviewed them and determined that.

You describe your insubordination as not answering a phone call that you never received. Can you expect anyone to believe that?

We are all drivers here. We understand the issues and frustration with the sensors. What doesn't make sense is your denials in the face of their confirmations that the triggered events are valid.

Taking personal responsibility is an important trait out here. I hope you can figure this all out, because I can't make any sense of it by hearing only your side of the story.

I know. I literally went into the office and looked at several critical stability events that were bogus, with my DBL, who confirmed that he couldn’t say how the event was triggered, yet they turn around and insist that no they are all valid.

This is what makes no sense to me. I have 5 stability events to my knowledge that occurred on straight aways, and then you hear that they were reviewed and they are legitimate. you can believe me or not, but I’ve been driving for 6 months with recording only one event. The simple fact is the company and the truck are wrong, which is why I will not be willing to come back. If this is their new “standard” for safety, I am willing to concede that I am too “unsafe” to drive their new trucks. If Schneider insists on operating in this manner, I simply don’t want to drive for them.

G-Town's Comment
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Bump.

I agree with Old School Christian. Attitude can make all the difference in the world.

My guess?

Your previous truck likely did not record an event if you were following too close. Your new one does.

Your previous truck likely did not match the speed limit from the telemetrics feed and compared it to actual truck speed. Your new truck does.

Your previous truck likely wasn’t as sensitive to lane changes or lane control. Your new one is.

Part of our job as professionals is to adopt new equipment, different equipment and changing technology. The biggest part enabling that is effective and professional communication. And taking responsibility for mistakes or lack of understanding throughout any transition process. And doing so with a professional attitude.

After about 1 day of what was happening to you, I would have insisted the truck be evaluated and the problem addressed. Tools used to accomplish thus? Qualcom messaging followed up with phone calls. Using only the phone does not provide a record or audit trail of any communication.

Something is amiss with this continuing story...just not sure what exactly it is.

Good luck Christian. Try to recover from this by Applying For As Many Truck Driving Jobs as Possible

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Just because it is a straight road doesnt mean you cannot get a rollover alert. Changing lanes quickly, swerving around tire debris or potholes, or even driving in high wind can do it. i got a rollover turning left at a light into a truckstop. It zapped me at 13 mph in 6rh gear. 3 years and no events, then changed trucks and got 2 rollovers in 2 weeks. I slowed down, analyzed the speed and road conditions as well as my actions.

your new truck may be lighter. so it might sway more quickly.

My new truck beeps for sensors when drivers pass me and i dont make an effort to slow down.

seriously i am chalking this up to your inexperience. you didnt learn the truck and you didnt communicate all this in writing.

i would have written an email to the safety director if my dispatcher didnt take action. companies must respond in writing and it documents your issues. talking to someone on the phone does nothing

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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There are always certain themes that come up with people who fail to find success at new endeavors, and one of course is a biggie I talk about all the time - they incessantly complain, blame, and criticize. They always think they know more than everyone else so they never listen. They never think they're wrong so they never learn. When they are wrong and someone holds them accountable they get indignant, run their mouths, and find themselves on a bus home.

So here we are with another one, and he won't be the last.

I've known throughout this thread that Christian's driving was the problem because after 25 years in this industry I pick up on the little things which includes subtleties in their language and reading between the lines. Several things have been clear from the start:

1) Christian never thought he did anything wrong. It couldn't possibly be his driving that's the problem, right? Heck, he's been doing this for six months. What could he possibly have to learn, right?

2) He never pursued a proper resolution to this. He never talked to safety. He never reached for a manual or even asked any of us what he could be doing wrong. He made no attempt to improve his driving habits or learn from any of this. He assumed from the start that the problem was the truck and his dispatcher and his company, but of course not his driving. It couldn't possibly be his driving.

3) He was fired, but not his co-driver. First of all, I don't believe his co-driver had as many violations as he claims. Regardless, I knew there had to be a reason Christian was fired but not his co-driver, and of course it was because he ran his mouth to the wrong people. For those who aren't aware, the office personnel don't take kindly to some rookie talking down to them. It will indeed earn you a bus ticket home. You were both driving the same truck but only one of you was fired. The fact that you never tried to dive into that spoke volumes. It said there's a lot more to this than you're telling us.

4) He said he had 17 violations but only 5 were reviewed and some of them happened on straight roads. As Rainy pointed out there are numerous ways to trigger a critical event on straight roads. Not only that, but that only accounted for a few of them. What about the others? Mysteriously the road characteristics weren't mentioned in the others. What about the other 12 violations? Did you pursue a review of them? Did you try to learn from them?

I lost count years ago how many stories like this I've heard - people claiming they did absolutely nothing wrong but were completely wronged by everyone - the truck, their dispatcher, the company. I can't think of a single time this has ever actually been the case. The reason I haven't said anything to this point is because I wanted him to keep talking until he accidentally revealed enough information to let us understand this situation a little better.

You ignored the warnings, you refused to change your driving habits, you ran your mouth, and you complained, blamed, and criticized every single person and entity around you from the truck to dispatch to the company itself. These are not the behaviors of someone who is doing their best to learn their trade, be humble, and give it all they've got. These are the behaviors of someone who is arrogant, overconfident, disrespectful, and dangerous to the people around them on the highway, which is why you were given a bus ticket home.

I also find it hard to believe they've asked you to return. Naturally you're too good for the company, or at least that's the story you're telling us. Personally I find it hard to believe a lot of what you've said. Whenever a story comes from someone who is 100% right with everything they've done and everyone around them is 100% to blame the story is almost without fail a steaming pile of BS.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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If this is their new “standard” for safety, I am willing to concede that I am too “unsafe” to drive their new trucks. If Schneider insists on operating in this manner, I simply don’t want to drive for them.

I agree - you're not safe enough to drive their trucks and the fact that they put you on a bus home tells me they really aren't interested in having you drive for them any longer. I don't think it's your choice, and I don't believe they're extending an olive branch to bring you back. I think it's your way of trying to convince us you were right and they were wrong, but of course conveniently you won't accept their offer to continue driving for them. I think a lot of this story is just propaganda. I'm confident that if we heard Schneider's side of the story it would be shockingly different than what we've been told thus far.

Christian T.'s Comment
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If this is their new “standard” for safety, I am willing to concede that I am too “unsafe” to drive their new trucks. If Schneider insists on operating in this manner, I simply don’t want to drive for them.

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I agree - you're not safe enough to drive their trucks and the fact that they put you on a bus home tells me they really aren't interested in having you drive for them any longer. I don't think it's your choice, and I don't believe they're extending an olive branch to bring you back. I think it's your way of trying to convince us you were right and they were wrong, but of course conveniently you won't accept their offer to continue driving for them. I think a lot of this story is just propaganda. I'm confident that if we heard Schneider's side of the story it would be shockingly different than what we've been told thus far.

I love the tone of elitism you express as a truck driver: you’re a truck driver. You’re a loser, probably overweight, and a slave. Trying to condescend me is laughable. Ooooo I’m not good enough for Schneider oh I’m so ashamed of myself because my measure of self worth is my ability to drive a truck and be someone’s *****. If this endeavor doesn’t work, I’ll do something else with my life. I don’t put up with bull**** and follow stupid rules. Maybe you do and if you live your life that way that’s fine! Good for you. I don’t.

Bruce K.'s Comment
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Christian, thank you for confirming everybody's conclusions.

Nobody here has any power to help you with this issue, so don't bother anymore.

Bruce K.'s Comment
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The great Christian declared: "If this endeavor doesn’t work, I’ll do something else with my life. I don’t put up with bull**** and follow stupid rules. Maybe you do and if you live your life that way that’s fine! Good for you. I don’t."

I'm sure Christian will now run for President.

Rob D.'s Comment
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Christian

What job did you have before?

Brett Aquila's Comment
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I love the tone of elitism you express as a truck driver: you’re a truck driver. You’re a loser, probably overweight, and a slave. Trying to condescend me is laughable. Ooooo I’m not good enough for Schneider oh I’m so ashamed of myself because my measure of self worth is my ability to drive a truck and be someone’s *****. If this endeavor doesn’t work, I’ll do something else with my life. I don’t put up with bull**** and follow stupid rules. Maybe you do and if you live your life that way that’s fine! Good for you. I don’t.

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Another classic reaction! I love calling someone out and then watching them have a meltdown because they're embarrassed how easily you were able to see through their entire charade. Classic. It must be hard realizing you're not as clever as you thought you were.

You're not even smart enough to realize that your reaction just totally gave you away, not that I believed much of anything you said to begin with.

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you’re a truck driver. You’re a loser, probably overweight, and a slave.

Wow, are you ever right about anything???

I'm not a truck driver anymore and I'm certainly not a loser. I'm a retired truck driver who had a fantastically fun and safe and successful 15 year career and now I'm a very successful business owner. I'm certainly not a slave, whatever that means in 2019. I'm also in fantastic shape.

Trying to condescend me is laughable

Actually it was easy......

Ooooo I’m not good enough for Schneider oh I’m so ashamed of myself because my measure of self worth is my ability to drive a truck and be someone’s *****

Says the guy who was just booted to the curb and is on his way back to his mom's basement and his video games.

If this endeavor doesn’t work, I’ll do something else with my life

I've got news for you. It's already not working, and it's not going to. You can't see that yet, but I've been watching this same story play out for 25 years. It always ends the same way.

Well, I guess that wraps up this mystery. Great job, Christian. You've made a monumental ass out of yourself. I knew you would accidentally reveal your true nature and the essence of what really happened if we let you keep talking.

Man, that was fun.

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