My Logs Are A Mess

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Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Did you take the mandatory logs class? they are allowing us off duty drive for yard stuff. but that means we need time to get out of customer

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Bobcat_Bob's Comment
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Interesting. I use Yard Move at Meet Points and it seems to work just fine. I'm swapping trailers so what else can DOT call it?

We where told in order to use yard move to has to be a fenced in yard with a guard shack or gate. I haven't tried it but others say if you select yard move outside a yard it will just throw you off it and go to driving.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Noob_Driver's Comment
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Every company seems to have different rules and regs on this apparently. Ive gotten the ok to use yard move at all customers whether a drop and hook or live load. Ive also got the ok to use it when fueling. Whether at a terminal or a truck stop, for example if i take my break at either I can yard move to the pump but i need to use the note fueling from the pull down tabs. And once i get to the pump i have to switch to on duty fueling. I actually got a message from our logs department about this. I yard moved at a terminal with yard move "fueling" as the note and forgot to switch to on Duty fueling drove maybe 25 yards and parked and realized i forgot to go on duty fueling and quickly switched to on duty fueling for 5 minutes. She caught it and knew exactly what i did. She said fueling is time stamped and gps stamped and she can see i fueled at a different location then my logs stated..... By 25 yards!

Also any time we do yard move we HAVE to give a reason, fueling, drop and hook etc. And it has to be noted in the log. Also not sure how your system is setup but ours kicks you to the drive line after exceeding 20mph.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

RealDiehl's Comment
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Did you take the mandatory logs class? they are allowing us off duty drive for yard stuff. but that means we need time to get out of customer

I took notes, Kearsey.

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I understood this to mean, if you arrive early or have to wait on a door to become available, switch to off duty. Then you can use pc to travel to your door to get loaded when your door is available.

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Noob_Driver's Comment
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Did you take the mandatory logs class? they are allowing us off duty drive for yard stuff. but that means we need time to get out of customer

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I took notes, Kearsey.

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I understood this to mean, if you arrive early or have to wait on a door to become available, switch to off duty. Then you can use pc to travel to your door to get loaded when your door is available.

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I was told never use PC to move a load forward to its destination even in a DC. See different rules everywhere!

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RealDiehl's Comment
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Yeah, it's confusing, Noob. I guess we are being told that technically we've already arrived at destination so the load is NOT being advanced.

Also seems to be some discrepancy as to how fast you have to be moving to be put on the drive line. Ours kicks us onto drive at 5mph.

Noob_Driver's Comment
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I got a load to the menards dc in Plano illinois that my dispatcher apologized for because he knew there was a 90 percent chance i wouldnt make it in time. It was a drop and hook. And i literally ran out of hours at the guard shack checking in. I messaged logs and asked if i could drop the trailer and she said no i had to take my 10. So i literally parked for my 10 within rock throwing distance of where i dropped the trailer the next day. She said with prior systems it wouldnt be an issue but the QC is integrated so well it can literally tell when you pull the fifth wheel and it would be flagged as done off duty putting me in violation.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

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Operating While Intoxicated

PackRat's Comment
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I use PC a lot now. I talked with my terminal manager about doing it first, though. Have not gotten a call from the Logs Department yet.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Yeah, it's confusing, Noob. I guess we are being told that technically we've already arrived at destination so the load is NOT being advanced.

Also seems to be some discrepancy as to how fast you have to be moving to be put on the drive line. Ours kicks us onto drive at 5mph.

Prime is not on "offical" elogs until Dec. So ours now are "unofficial prime perameters". It is supposed to.change to 2 miles per hour later i believe.

All carriers have a right to dictate how their logs are used. For example, we get 1 hour of PC, Knight gets 30 mins etc. Other companies may not allow it at all.

The Off duty drive is supposedly something Prime worked out with DOT. It can be used as "equipment repositioning" and therefore we can use it and note that in remarks. Our safety rating got messed up because of some bad accidents so DOT has been inspecting the heck out of us to improve the scores. I specifically asked in class about never having yard moves due to using PC in the shippers and i was told as long as it says "repositioning" it wont be a problem cause as you stated, we arent "advancing" the load. Just make sure you do have on duty there for checking in.

Honestly, I haven't even bothered. My logs can be a mess. The loads can get screwed up, and I don't care. I had a slight "conversation" with dispatch the other night because someone forgot i needed to take a 10 hour break then they got snippy with me. THAT didnt go over well. hahhahaha

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Elogs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Rob T.'s Comment
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I haven't been able to attend a meeting going over the new logs due to running a route the day they are but I received an info packet this morning. All of our trucks will be switched to Samsara ELD next month. For us we can only use yard move at our 3 terminals. We can go up to 20 mph within a geofence perimeter without it going onto drive line. We cannot drive over 10 miles on Personal Conveyance without calling to get approval first. Only time it would be approved is if we are in a daycab and there are no hotels closer.

The company is also cracking down on logbook violations. Violations are tracked for a rolling 9 month period if we get 1- verbal warning 2-written warning 3- 3 day suspension 4- 1 week suspension 5- TERMINATION

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

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