Paper Logs

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Steve G.'s Comment
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Wow sorry I asked. Thx to the ones that did help.

Old School's Comment
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Maybe you could help me understand your issue. Can you elaborate with us on why it's so important to you to be running paper?

I don't get it. You're limiting yourself to such an extremely small number of job opportunities. You're obviously a great driver with years of experience and a great record to stand on. There are hundreds of thousands of drivers like you who made the switch. I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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The question I would ask is how much is it worth to you? Because 95% or more of the jobs out there will be electronic logs , and you can bet your life the best-paying jobs will be electronic logs.

Are you willing to give up $10,000+ per year and fail to qualify for 95% of the jobs for the sole privilege of using paper logs? Because that's almost certainly what you'll do.

Electronic Logs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Errol V.'s Comment
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Steve says:

Wow sorry I asked

Steve, you don't need to apologise. This is a legitimate question. And you can tell from Old School's post, you have sparked some interest. Thank you for bringing this up!

Dean R.'s Comment
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FWIW, in CDL school we are being taught using Driver's Daily Log by JJ Keller & Assoc. It's the "Official Deluxe Duplicate Copy" system.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Errol V.'s Comment
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FWIW, in CDL school we are being taught using Driver's Daily Log by JJ Keller & Assoc. It's the "Official Deluxe Duplicate Copy" system.

Oh, yeah. We all still need to know how to use paper logs. So if modem technology ends for some reason, we can still keep track of our time for DOT.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

IDMtnGal 's Comment
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I'll bet the dinosaurs would not have liked new technology, either. Look where that got them.

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Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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They are plain and simple

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This argument for paper makes me laugh. Nothing simpler than hitting a button only four times an entire shift. So glad I’m not logging this on paper:

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Press log in at start of shift, press log out at start of break, press log in at end of break, press log out at end of shift. Literally that plain and simple.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Paper logs are a pain in the ass if you use them legally.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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FWIW, in CDL school we are being taught using Driver's Daily Log by JJ Keller & Assoc. It's the "Official Deluxe Duplicate Copy" system.

Yes, because if your ELD system fails, as it has in the recent past for many companies, you still need paper logs until they are fixed. You have to have 8 days worth of logs of some type.

You can only use paper, in addition to the examples above, if your ELD is not working.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
PackRat's Comment
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Another reason for paper logging in orientation is because that time is in fact On Duty Not Driving and should be counted as part of your 70 hour clock.

Paper logs can be used if an ELD malfunctions severely enough for repairs, but only for a maximum of 8 days. After that, you and the vehicle are out of service. So you cannot just pull a fuse, saying "my ELD isn't working, Officer", then continue indefinitely on paper logs, either.

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