Paper Logs

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Steve G.'s Comment
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Are there any good paper log jobs still out there? 20 yrs exp clean record. thx in advance

Greg M.'s Comment
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Why in the world is paper logs a requirement? I recently had to be on paper for 2 days and I absolutely hated it.

Errol V.'s Comment
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If you want to compare your own fiction stories, write a book. Here's are the exemptions on FMCSA's General Information about the ELD Rule Q&A page:

Q3. Who must comply with the electronic logging device (ELD) rule?

A3. The ELD applies to most motor carriers and drivers who are currently required to maintain records of duty status (RODS) per Part 395, 49 CFR 395.8(a). The rule applies to commercial buses as well as trucks, and to Canada- and Mexico-domiciled drivers.

The ELD rule allows limited exceptions to the ELD mandate, including:

  • Drivers who operate under the short-haul exceptions may continue using timecards; they are not required to keep RODS and will not be required to use ELDs.
  • Drivers who use paper RODS for not more than 8 days out of every 30-day period.
  • Drivers who conduct drive-away-tow-away operations, in which the vehicle being driven is the commodity being delivered.
  • Drivers of vehicles manufactured before 2000.

Easiest out: find a company that uses 20 year old trucks, or get a job with Truck Movers and deliver brand new trucks (This is a thing, I did it for 6 months. Truck Delivery Driveaway)

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Bird-one's Comment
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Well speak for yourself there Greg. I've been on paper for a year and a half now and love it. They are plain and simple. And no, nothing to do with breaking the law.

To answer your question Steven there are still outfits out there that are able to run without them but are scarce. And also how they are maintaining there equipment is something to check into. Truck itself does not need to be 20 years old. Only the engine. Which needs to be 99 or older. Good luck.

Why in the world is paper logs a requirement? I recently had to be on paper for 2 days and I absolutely hated it.

Turtle's Comment
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Well speak for yourself there Greg.

He did speak for himself, when he said he hated it. Pretty clear.

andhe78's Comment
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They are plain and simple

This argument for paper makes me laugh. Nothing simpler than hitting a button only four times an entire shift. So glad I’m not logging this on paper:

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Press log in at start of shift, press log out at start of break, press log in at end of break, press log out at end of shift. Literally that plain and simple.

Old School's Comment
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I just can't comprehend the premise of the original post. Why would a driver with 20 years experience want to limit himself to the tiny number of driving jobs that are still using paper logs? There's a vast amount of opportunity out here for that much experience. At some point, we have to move on with the technological changes affecting our world. Change can sometimes sideline people, but it doesn't have to.

The ability to adapt and thrive is an integral part of both life and success. Stubbornness must subordinate itself to progress. Once we refuse to learn new ways of doing things we set ourselves into a downward spiral of stagnation. I had a salesman who worked for me into his mid 70's. Every time I upgraded our computer systems he would seriously struggle with the changes. But, he persevered because he knew he'd be left behind without the tools he needed to prosper.

I've heard of truck drivers who quit the industry altogether over this electronic log situation. That's unmitigated stubbornness that killed careers. It's not the changes or the challenges that put those drivers out of a job. It was bull-headed obstinance.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PackRat's Comment
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I'll bet the dinosaurs would not have liked new technology, either. Look where that got them.

Errol V.'s Comment
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I'll bet the dinosaurs would not have liked new technology, either. Look where that got them.

Nawwww, it when old "technology":
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Turtle's Comment
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I'll bet the dinosaurs would not have liked new technology, either. Look where that got them.

It's rumored the SuperTruckasaurus still exists today in select regions. They are most often recognized by the oversized K-Wopper belt buckle, Marlboro behind the ear, and 70's porn 'stache

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