Do People Still Cheat Logs Now That They're Electronic?

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Mikey B.'s Comment
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Soft” cheating is possible; although with the “yard move” on duty status, it’s possible to creep along at 15-ish mph and not trip the driveline.

That depends on the company and how their device is set up. I know a driver whose company uses Qualcomm and he can drive all day long while in OD "yard move" status. Where most of our ELDs automatically click into drive at 15mph, his doesn't. He isn't credited for any miles he drives. Of course DOT could see where he was when started and where he was when he went back to off duty if they looked. He expected it to trip onto drive once when he left his shipper , 3 hours later he pulled over to get fuel and when he went to change his status he was still On Duty yard move. He edited that time to drive and when it corrected it also credited him for the milage he drove.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Perhaps, however if DOT pulls the log... it’s a violation because of the location that’s pegged onto the status change.

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Soft” cheating is possible; although with the “yard move” on duty status, it’s possible to creep along at 15-ish mph and not trip the driveline.

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That depends on the company and how their device is set up. I know a driver whose company uses Qualcomm and he can drive all day long while in OD "yard move" status. Where most of our ELDs automatically click into drive at 15mph, his doesn't. He isn't credited for any miles he drives. Of course DOT could see where he was when started and where he was when he went back to off duty if they looked. He expected it to trip onto drive once when he left his shipper , 3 hours later he pulled over to get fuel and when he went to change his status he was still On Duty yard move. He edited that time to drive and when it corrected it also credited him for the milage he drove.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Guys and Gals, please realize most companies (all of the megas) have a logs department. Logging anomalies like Mikey described are flagged.

Running for hundreds of miles on the interstate at 65mph is obviously not a yard move. If an ELD enables this to occur without even an alert, it’s a non-compliant configuration.

Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

Chief Brody's Comment
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My two cents on this subject. During training it was emphasized to me to preserve your clock as much as possible. So I learned to log time based not on what I was actually doing but what looked reasonable on the log book. But since then I have gotten to the point where I log significantly more time for specific duties, to the point where I simply just log my actual time for each duty status for the most part. But I'm still running between 2500 and 3000 miles a week and earning good money.

I'm not saying that I don't venture into some of the gray areas but I've gotten away from this minimalistic logging of on duty time that I was taught.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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Guys and Gals, please realize most companies (all of the megas) have a logs department. Logging anomalies like Mikey described are flagged.

Running for hundreds of miles on the interstate at 65mph is obviously not a yard move. If an ELD enables this to occur without even an alert, it’s a non-compliant configuration.

Absolutely, I'm not advocating any of the methods I've mentioned since they are all "gray areas" and technically illegal, especially the yard move feature i mentioned. That is far outside of the gray areas. My intention was simply to answer the OPs question. Do drivers still cheat logs since they are electronic? YES, they still do. Not like they used to but they/we do it daily even though we shouldn't and could get a ticket even for the gray area violations. Thats the joys of regulations, we try to maximize our time even if it violates those regulations. That it is not legal or is non compliant and we do it anyways hoping not to be caught....that's THE definition of cheating...lol.

Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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I know you weren’t Mikey. Trying to level set any Newbies following this. All good.

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Guys and Gals, please realize most companies (all of the megas) have a logs department. Logging anomalies like Mikey described are flagged.

Running for hundreds of miles on the interstate at 65mph is obviously not a yard move. If an ELD enables this to occur without even an alert, it’s a non-compliant configuration.

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Absolutely, I'm not advocating any of the methods I've mentioned since they are all "gray areas" and technically illegal, especially the yard move feature i mentioned. That is far outside of the gray areas. My intention was simply to answer the OPs question. Do drivers still cheat logs since they are electronic? YES, they still do. Not like they used to but they/we do it daily even though we shouldn't and could get a ticket even for the gray area violations. Thats the joys of regulations, we try to maximize our time even if it violates those regulations. That it is not legal or is non compliant and we do it anyways hoping not to be caught....that's THE definition of cheating...lol.

Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

BK's Comment
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Like most things in life, honesty is the best policy. Developing ability to accurately trip plan will eliminate most of the temptation to get "creative" with the EDL. Schneider's EDL tablets go on the drive line at 5 mph, so creeping around at 3 or 4 mph is not very efficient. A yard move goes off status at 20 mph. I like the new yard move feature and regulation, use it at almost every stop and am not tempted to do the "off duty creep"

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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Like most things in life, honesty is the best policy. Developing ability to accurately trip plan will eliminate most of the temptation to get "creative" with the EDL. Schneider's EDL tablets go on the drive line at 5 mph, so creeping around at 3 or 4 mph is not very efficient. A yard move goes off status at 20 mph. I like the new yard move feature and regulation, use it at almost every stop and am not tempted to do the "off duty creep"

Indeed.

In dragging up an 'old' thread (as I tend to, sorry!) Here's MORE astute advice from Brett & the mods & the powers that be:

"Log Book Cheating" (old thread.)

Stance hasn't changed.

Thanks, y'all!

~ Anne ~

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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I met a guy at a receiver who told me his company routinely had him unplugging his ELD

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