C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

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Kal-el T.'s Comment
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First, let me say, chances are you won't believe me, having said that, I have never once in all my life touched drugs. I have not even touched weed. I drink on rare occasion, I can count on one hand how often I drink per year. I smoke cigarettes. That is it. I am so terrified of drugs and what they do to people, I even refused to take narcotic pills from my doctor after having surgery on my ankle, which required 4 screws be placed in the center mass of the ankle bone after a car accident had broken it in 2 places. I healed from that naturally, without any pain medications what-so-ever other than Advil.

Most recently I had discovered that my wife of 4 years, had been using Meth for the past 2 years of our marriage. I gave her one chance to go to rehab, she refused, now we are no longer together. She was out of my home by Sept 21st.

Recently I got my CDL Permit. I entered in to Truck Driving School at C.R. England, where they paid for my bus ticket from Shepherdsville Kentucky, to Merrillville Indiana for their two week truck driving course. I went to orientation and took both a Urine Test and a Hair Test. I shave my head, so they asked me if it were okay if they take the hair sample from my armpit, but warned that it would date back a full year instead of 90 days due to armpit hair growing much more slowly than hair on your head. I told them they could go back a lifetime on me and not find a thing, that I was not concerned.

One week later, the test results came back and I had passed the Urine Test, but discovered that I had Methamphetamine in my Hair Test. I was floored.

At first I thought that they had the wrong guy, there is no way I could have had Meth in my system. I have never once in my life used drugs. Not ever. They had asked me if I were on any medications, which I told them no. Soon after, they kicked me out of the school, kicked me out of the Hotel that I was staying in, and told me that I was on my own getting back home to Shepherdsville Kentucky. Luckily I had cash on me, unlike most of the other students there. If I had been broke, I have no clue how I would have made it back home. I was treated like an addict and booted to the streets as if I were trash.

I got back home and started making calls. I called the company who performed the drug test and they assured me that there is no way I could have tested positive by means of second hand contact with Meth. I cannot test positive through bodily fluids, second hand smoke or even if she had smoked it in the house. The only way to test positive is if I had been taking the drug.

So naturally I reached out to her and confronted her. She swore that she had never used inside the house and claimed that I had gotten it from giving her oral sex. She is a nurse by profession, so she acts like she knows everything about anything when it comes to these things, but by her being a nurse, it also makes her a likely suspect in what I was thinking the actual truth might be, I was drugged without my knowledge and against my will.

I responded to the accusation of testing positive by ingesting her bodily fluids through oral sex and told her that was literally impossible and that the people at the lab said that I could not have tested positive in that way, yet she stuck to her guns and kept saying that was how I tested positive and swore that it was indeed possible.

Me, I personally believe that she might have been low dosing me once she found out that I was divorcing her. But outside of testing positive, I have no real evidence of this. What I do know is what the people at the lab told me about the only possible way to test positive was by ingesting it, shooting it up or smoking it and that second hand in any way would not show up on the test results. I even looked it up to see if her theory might be correct and found no information on this.

There was a case I found about a police officer who claimed to have tested positive for the same reason, but the courts ruled that impossible due to the science of how drug testing works and he was convicted and fired.

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What can I do? I feel like I have hit a no win situation here and I don't want to throw away my dreams of driving a Tractor Trailer over something I didn't do!

Should I get a lawyer to help fight this? I don't even want that test to be on my record in any kind of way! I don't use drugs, never have, never will, but now it is a stain on my life that only smears if I attempt to wipe it off! I did nothing wrong, yet have to pay the same consequences as somebody who has done drugs? This can't be real! Now when I am asked, "Have you ever failed a drug test" I have to actually answer yes to that! Nobody is ever going to believe me in a hiring process when I explain to them how and why I failed! There has to be something I can do to undo this nightmare!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

BK's Comment
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How can you be living for 2 years with someone addicted to meth and not know it?

As far as driving, you are probably not going to get hired . You should look for another profession until you can put your positive test behind you.

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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How can you be living for 2 years with someone addicted to meth and not know it?

As far as driving, you are probably not going to get hired . You should look for another profession until you can put your positive test behind you.

I had my suspicions, but I don't throw accusations until I have the facts. Also, she is not a tweaker, she is a nurse by profession, she knows how to hide it. i won't be giving up trying to get in to a new school. I have come too far to just give up. I never gave up at anything.

G-Town's Comment
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We have heard this same story before, over and over. Almost verbatim. Although I don’t know you, I cannot help but suggest you might be in denial.

Convincing us any further is of no value to you or us. It’s irrelevant. Only you know the truth.

Old School's Comment
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they kicked me out of the school, kicked me out of the Hotel that I was staying in, and told me that I was on my own getting back home to Shepherdsville Kentucky. Luckily I had cash on me, unlike most of the other students there. If I had been broke, I have no clue how I would have made it back home. I was treated like an addict and booted to the streets as if I were trash.

What were you expecting? If they provided a limousine ride home for every failed drug test they would be in bankruptcy court. That is what happens to folks who waste their time.

Now... You know as well as us that your story is preposterous! To be honest, I feel I have read this same story 187 times, and it is always blamed on C.R. England. There are apparently a lot of people getting drugged up by their lovers. Nobody seems to know how it is happening.

As to what you can do... You will have to go through a SAP program and accept the fact that you failed a drug test. You are going to find a brick wall is set up now to keep you from this industry. Complete the SAP program and try again. You are going to have a real struggle getting a job in this field now. I wish you the best of luck. Keep your lips to yourself since they seem to find drugs in some of the places you've been exposing them to. Maybe you can get this problem rectified, but I honestly don't see a positive future for you in trucking.

Check out this information and follow the instruction if you are serious about being a trucker...

Drug Test Failure And Return To Duty Process

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Banks's Comment
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How can you be living for 2 years with someone addicted to meth and not know it?

I agree. Having spent most of my youth around drug addicts of all sorts, I find it hard to believe that you're not going to know your wife is using meth. The not sleeping at all would be the first clue.

Rob T.'s Comment
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If you're telling the truth about not knowing I truly feel sorry for you. As others have pointed out this story is similiar to many others we've seen in the past. I'm not sure if you need to complete an SAP or not because currently urine tests are the only tests approved by the DOT. If an application asks if you've ever failed a drug screen the answer would be yes. If it asks if you've ever failed a DOT drug screen you could truthfully answer no.

If you're convinced she was low dosing you, perhaps you should contact law enforcement and see if they can do anything. You'd likely need to have some sort of proof that it was indeed happening like an admission over text. Most states it's a felony to tamper with somebody else's food/drink.

I found a post from a few years ago a gentleman claiming that he tested positive for cocaine due to his wife's saliva. He was adamant that it was correct. Whether that's true who knows. Anyways, in that thread Kearsey pointed out that another member here failed failed a hair test (NON DOT) at Prime and went to Pam, as well as Roehl. Those 2 may be an option and both offer paid training. Have you pulled your DAC report to see if anything was reported on that?

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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You know, you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. It's easy to sit there and act as if you would have noticed that she was on because of this reason or that reason. If you knew me and if you knew her, you would know just how asinine that comment actually is. However, you don't know me or her. In fact, you don't know anything about me other than what I wrote here, and clearly you have heard this story a "thousand times" so of course you aren't going to believe me. Drug addicts try so damn hard to convince people that they are not drug addicts, that you straight up can't tell if they are telling the truth or not. So I don't blame you for not believing me or finding my story to be "suspect."

And you know, G-Town? You're right, I am absolutely not going to find what I am looking for here and I sure as hell won't be convincing you. I have already been tried, judged and executed by this forum because you I am obviously guilty until proven innocent in this court. For this reason alone, I will not be finding the help I am looking for here and it would seem clear to me that we are wasting each other's time here.

Mr. Old School, I will not be going to any SAP programs. First, I don't do drugs, I sure as hell don't need somebody telling me that I am in denial no matter how many times I tell them I don't touch the damn things. I hate drugs and I have a special kind of hatred for people who use them. Every time I hear of somebody overdosing, I get a certain pleasure from that. As far as I am concerned, drug addicts are the gutter of society and have no place in this world. I have lost my only son due to a drug addict, that can never be forgiven and I will take that hatred for drug addicts to my grave.

Secondly, the hair test is not DOT mandated and does not even go to the Clearing House.

Sure, I will hit a brick wall from some companies, because of the guilty until proven innocent society that we live in. If a police officer is treated this way, then there is no reason why I won't be treated this way as well. However, I don't give up that easily.

So you folks can sit there and chose not to believe me if you want to. There's not much I can do about that. Nothing is going to stop me from achieving my goals regardless if you believe me or not. I will return and post a pic of my tractor when I achieve my goals.

P.S. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame any of you for not believing me or even thinking that you might have somehow done better than I when it comes to my wife. It's easy to sit there and believe that you are somehow Detective Batman and you would have figured out or noticed something that I did not. Fact of the matter is, you don't know her, you don't know me and you definitely weren't there. So telling me how you would have noticed or that you can't believe I didn't know sooner is like sitting on the sidelines of a ball game and telling people how you would have passed the ball to X player instead of Y player and scored a touch down. All I can say is, riiiiight. However, like I said, I don't blame you for not believing me, if it were somebody else telling me this story prior to me experiencing it, I am not so sure I would believe them either...in fact, the way I hate drug addicts, so much so I even kicked out of my life somebody who I absolutely loved more than life itself, I know for a fact that I wouldn't have believed them. So I get it. I can see I am going to have to face this challenge alone. I do appreciate your responses though, at least now I know where I stand in this situation. See ya when I get my first Tractor!

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Kal-el T.'s Comment
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If you're telling the truth about not knowing I truly feel sorry for you. As others have pointed out this story is similiar to many others we've seen in the past. I'm not sure if you need to complete an SAP or not because currently urine tests are the only tests approved by the DOT. If an application asks if you've ever failed a drug screen the answer would be yes. If it asks if you've ever failed a DOT drug screen you could truthfully answer no.

One thing I am and that's honest. Since my experience with C.R. England, I have admitted that I failed a hair test and then explained to them why. It's all I *can* do.

If you're convinced she was low dosing you, perhaps you should contact law enforcement and see if they can do anything. You'd likely need to have some sort of proof that it was indeed happening like an admission over text. Most states it's a felony to tamper with somebody else's food/drink.

I did call police, it was one of the first things I did when I got back home. Sadly, she has to incriminate herself in order for them to be able to do anything about it. She's smart, very smart. She won't be self incriminating herself to me. She will be sticking by her guns no matter what. I don't believe her story of the whole, "you tested positive through bodily fluids" crap because I can find no information that backs up her claims. In fact, I was told by the lab that the only way I could test positive, is if I myself had used within the last year. They assured me that it cannot test positive through second hand of any kind. So unless she slips and tells me that she was desperate to keep me, so she tried low dosing me to get me hooked or something like that, the hands of the police are tied in this situation, sadly.

I found a post from a few years ago a gentleman claiming that he tested positive for cocaine due to his wife's saliva. He was adamant that it was correct. Whether that's true who knows. Anyways, in that thread Kearsey pointed out that another member here failed failed a hair test (NON DOT) at Prime and went to Pam, as well as Roehl. Those 2 may be an option and both offer paid training. Have you pulled your DAC report to see if anything was reported on that?

I had found a similar story where a police officer tested positive for cocaine and made the same claim in court. It was ruled that his story was impossible and he was fired from his job. Unless the science is wrong somehow, which if it is, it will be probably swept under the rug for fear of people suing the companies who run and stand by these hair tests if it turns out that you *can* test positive in that way. So if it can happen that way, I don't expect that to be discovered within my life time.

I am checking other companies though, I'm not giving up. I have come to far to just say screw it and quit.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

PackRat's Comment
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Should the driver members here be apologetic over not posting what you wanted to hear? The name on this site tells all: Trucking Truth.

We wish you success and good luck.

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