C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

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Chief Brody's Comment
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This has been an entertaining read although I've read it several times on this form before.

The only thing that I can say to the OP, is good luck finding the one-armed man who killed your wife, Dr. Richard Kimble.

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

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Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

I actually remember this, vaguely ... thanks for sharing.

Yeah. It's a mess. (Are you sure you didn't take Sudafed / Vicks' Inhalers?!?!)

I'm awaiting your results too, man. Did you get the GC/MS test???

~ Anne ~

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

Lil'RedRidingHood's Comment
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Taking you at your word here OP, I'm real sorry to hear what happened to you. They said ingested. Could she have put it in your food? I cannot imagine that you would miss a meth-high though for anything in the world. So that leads to another question. As far as I know, Epinephrine is an ingredient in meth, and this is found in some cold medicines. Do you take cold medicine on a regular basis?

If I were you, I would get the full result sheet from the drug testing company and take it to your doctor. They might be able to enlighten you on cutoff levels, which dosages would show up at which levels, and what it could possibly be.

Your trucking career is shot for the foreseeable future I'm afraid; but you might have recourse against your ex wife.

I did read a book by a felon that started his own hotshot business, you might look into that. Not sure how that would play with a failed drug test on your record though.

Just don't lose hope. I firmly believe that when one door closes, another one opens. There's a path for you out there for sure.

Lil'Red.

CM59's Comment
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Oh man, I thought the narrative was well written! I was on the edge of my seat.

If there’s two things I know about drug addicts. 1. They will never waste perfectly good drugs. 2. They lie very well. 3. They don’t believe they are responsible.

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they kicked me out of the school, kicked me out of the Hotel that I was staying in, and told me that I was on my own getting back home to Shepherdsville Kentucky. Luckily I had cash on me, unlike most of the other students there. If I had been broke, I have no clue how I would have made it back home. I was treated like an addict and booted to the streets as if I were trash.

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What were you expecting? If they provided a limousine ride home for every failed drug test they would be in bankruptcy court. That is what happens to folks who waste their time.

Now... You know as well as us that your story is preposterous! To be honest, I feel I have read this same story 187 times, and it is always blamed on C.R. England. There are apparently a lot of people getting drugged up by their lovers. Nobody seems to know how it is happening.

As to what you can do... You will have to go through a SAP program and accept the fact that you failed a drug test. You are going to find a brick wall is set up now to keep you from this industry. Complete the SAP program and try again. You are going to have a real struggle getting a job in this field now. I wish you the best of luck. Keep your lips to yourself since they seem to find drugs in some of the places you've been exposing them to. Maybe you can get this problem rectified, but I honestly don't see a positive future for you in trucking.

Check out this information and follow the instruction if you are serious about being a trucker...

Drug Test Failure And Return To Duty Process

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

double-quotes-end.png

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Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

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I actually remember this, vaguely ... thanks for sharing.

Yeah. It's a mess. (Are you sure you didn't take Sudafed / Vicks' Inhalers?!?!)

I'm awaiting your results too, man. Did you get the GC/MS test???

~ Anne ~

There are only 2 bad habits I have and only 2 medications I use along with a small bit of alcohol.

Cigarettes (yes, I'm a dirty smoker, lol) Caffeine (Sorry, but I love Big Red) Alcohol (not even 3 drinks at a time, it just gives me headaches if I drink more than that and I can count on one hand how often I drink a year, sometimes I go multiple years without drinking at all) Advil (only when I get headaches, which is about once a month on average) and on one single occasion, I took an off brand Mucinex called XeunciM, 1200 mg. for dry mucus in the lungs after my daughter got me sick with a nasty cold.

That's it. Bad eating habits I suppose, I do love my Arby's Beef & Cheddar, lol.

As far as the test, it was the most expensive one they had available. I can't remember which test it was, all I know is that it was a hair follicle test taken from my right underarm (the first test was taken from my left, so now it looks like I have lady underarms, lol) except with this one, they shaved it with sheers instead of cutting it with scissors. So this one should have an even longer date period that the one prior to it since the hair they took had more length than the previous.

I will let you know which one for sure when I get the results back, I'm sure the test type will be listed somewhere.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

double-quotes-end.png

double-quotes-end.png

Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

double-quotes-end.png

I actually remember this, vaguely ... thanks for sharing.

Yeah. It's a mess. (Are you sure you didn't take Sudafed / Vicks' Inhalers?!?!)

I'm awaiting your results too, man. Did you get the GC/MS test???

~ Anne ~

Oh, the reason that article may be relevant to me is because my hair is almost jet black. I am not black, but my hair is.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

C T.'s Comment
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Man what a rollercoaster of a thread. If op did in fact pop a false negative, wish him the best of luck.

Travis's Comment
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One thing I just thought of:

Do you take the MAO inhibitor Selegiline? It would be used for a mental health and while it generally doesn't have the dietary restrictions other MAOIs need you'd probably know if you were on it.

There are a few other meds listed here as well. I'm guessing you've already found similar lists but it not it's worth a shot if you are taking any med that causes a false positive.

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/urine-drug-screening-minimizing-false-positives-and-false-negatives-to-optimize-patient-care#:~:text=While%20rarely%20used%2C%20the%20monoamine,amphetamine%20and%20l%2Dmethamphetamine%20metabolites.&text=Minimizing%20the%20use%20of%20these,risk%20of%20false%2Dpositive%20results.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Kal-el T.'s Comment
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One thing I just thought of:

Do you take the MAO inhibitor Selegiline? It would be used for a mental health and while it generally doesn't have the dietary restrictions other MAOIs need you'd probably know if you were on it.

There are a few other meds listed here as well. I'm guessing you've already found similar lists but it not it's worth a shot if you are taking any med that causes a false positive.

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/urine-drug-screening-minimizing-false-positives-and-false-negatives-to-optimize-patient-care#:~:text=While%20rarely%20used%2C%20the%20monoamine,amphetamine%20and%20l%2Dmethamphetamine%20metabolites.&text=Minimizing%20the%20use%20of%20these,risk%20of%20false%2Dpositive%20results.

I don't think so. Advil, cigarettes, caffeine are the only three things I put in my body. About 4 or 5 months ago I used XeunciM, which is an off brand Mucinex, it has something in it called, Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide. But that triggers a false positive for PCP, not Methamphetamine. Still looking in to having my home tested, but even if I discover that I have meth on my walls, carpet/floor or belongings, that won't prove me innocent. Sadly, the ONLY thing that is going to prove me innocent is a negative test result. Another positive test result will tell me that I was poisoned, and I will never be able to prove that in a million years unless she does it to somebody else and we end up collaborating with one another. Otherwise, I will have to give up my crusade and be extremely more choosy about who I let in to my life. The last part I have already done.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

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