C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

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Kal-el T.'s Comment
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Kal-el I could be wrong but I’m fairly certain this failed drug test will be on your alcohol and drug clearinghouse profile. I’m pretty sure you have to had registered for that before you took your drug test for CR England. Like it or not that program was designed to prevent people from doing the very thing you are trying to do. It will not matter if you try to apply for a company that does urine test only. They will check your clearinghouse and see you failed a hair follicle.

Thankfully hair follicle testing does not go to the DOT. At least not yet. From the research I have done, hair follicle testing is pretty controversial, there are too many false positives and too many variables that can produce false positives for the drug administration to approve it for the DOT. Some of my terminology may be wrong on this, but the premise still applies. I don't mind hair follicle testing, in fact even after what happened to me I am in support of it. I just feel there needs to be a viable process to prove your innocence if you test positive from the hair follicle test that does not get you kicked or charged until the test can be substantiated. Right now, this does not exist to be best of my knowledge.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
G-Town's Comment
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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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Ka'lel ...

Controversial as this all may be, I really hope it works out for you.

a.) I'm hoping/praying for this to clear your name and your CDLA. I think you're right on the reporting.

b.) If it STILL goes awry, please let us know... and maybe include pix?

c.) As Trucking Truth IS a training site/tool, your saga/conundrum WILL help many, futures.

d.) Thanks for sharing.

Best, man.

~ Anne & Tom ~

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

G'town, you know I adore you, and have MAD RESPECT for YOU. In 'so' many ways.

The reason I'm the 'supportive one' .. and trying to think outside the box, is .. my late ex husband WAS a truck driver that I paid to put through school, as well. (I have a 'propensity' for such; apparently, haha!) Bobby tried to get OFF meth; in SO many ways. Methadone; suboxone. He took up the habit, which perpetuated our divorce; similar to the O/P. That's why, in another thread, I've questioned the 'legality' of bupenorphine (sp?) aka: Suboxone, for truck drivers... because Methadone is a 'nope.'

Bobby, the ex... Late Ex...He worked for LCT (Lester Coggins Trucking) in Okahumpka Florida, which is now defunct. I have no idea how he slipped through the testing cracks; apparently there WAS no hair follicle testing back then. He bought A LOT of 'GoldenSeal' from GNC.. I thought it was a workout supplement. SMDH.

This 'conundrum' enthralls me; for 'my' reasons, good sir. NO DIS. EVER.

With love;

~ Anne ~

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

G-Town's Comment
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All good Anne. I know you are honest, sincere and forthright. I too have “isms” and addictive personalities in my family, both sides. I’m far more aware than most assume. ‘nuff said.

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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

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G'town, you know I adore you, and have MAD RESPECT for YOU. In 'so' many ways.

The reason I'm the 'supportive one' .. and trying to think outside the box, is .. my late ex husband WAS a truck driver that I paid to put through school, as well. (I have a 'propensity' for such; apparently, haha!) Bobby tried to get OFF meth; in SO many ways. Methadone; suboxone. He took up the habit, which perpetuated our divorce; similar to the O/P. That's why, in another thread, I've questioned the 'legality' of bupenorphine (sp?) aka: Suboxone, for truck drivers... because Methadone is a 'nope.'

Bobby, the ex... Late Ex...He worked for LCT (Lester Coggins Trucking) in Okahumpka Florida, which is now defunct. I have no idea how he slipped through the testing cracks; apparently there WAS no hair follicle testing back then. He bought A LOT of 'GoldenSeal' from GNC.. I thought it was a workout supplement. SMDH.

This 'conundrum' enthralls me; for 'my' reasons, good sir. NO DIS. EVER.

With love;

~ Anne ~

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

midnight fox's Comment
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If it turns out that I cannot prove my innocence, well, I will just have to stick with companies who do urine tests

My impression from what I've read here on the forum is CRE will put your positive test on your DAC report so other companies will find it, regardless if it was non-DOT or if it was pre-employment.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Matthew P.'s Comment
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Hi G Town. I was going to repost my reply but you blocked my access to the forum and I couldn't repost. Best of luck to you as you move forward through life sir!

G-Town's Comment
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Matthew this is not true. Any new member goes into moderation review for a short period of time. I blocked none of your posts.

Hi G Town. I was going to repost my reply but you blocked my access to the forum and I couldn't repost. Best of luck to you as you move forward through life sir!

G-Town's Comment
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Just an FYI here...

One thing I did learn during the last two days... the inaccuracy has far more to do with the frequency of false negatives than false positives with a hair follicle test.

G-Town's Comment
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Here is the article and the test they performed:

Medical News Today

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