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Rainy D.'s Comment
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Are you on meds? seriously?

i dont know what kind of crap you think you are pulling. Blaming the TWIC card that is 2 payments of $65 or so for putting you in the negative is really extreme.

You get $700 per week guarantee. Yes, TWIC, the food advancement, sleep apnea is taken from that. You havent been there long enough to be paying health insurance yet. So if you didnt have the sleep apnea, and already paid the TWIC off, then you have $25 for your food advance plus your taxes taken out. Is Prime supposed to pay your taxes?

so lets break this down... you said Prime put you in financial burden. No, the $93 to AL has nothing to due with Prime and sounds excessive since NJ is way way more expensive and transferring only cost me like $25.

regardless of where you went, you would have had to pay for a TWIC, CLP , and CDL. that again has nothing to do with Prime. some places make you pay for a DOT physical first, and you didnt pay that either, prime did. Some companies begin taking schooling payments out of your check as soon as you are hired... prime does not. they will take payments from your next employer if you leave. and you will owe the balance of the contract you signed (how.much is it now? $4000?).

If you have not been paid properly, it is your responsibility to contact your fleet manager and discuss it. OS just told you to talk to stan and you went on a tirade. Talk to steve larsen or steve tassin. either can help as far as the vacation for the trainer being paid to you. Worst case scenario, they could have another trainer pick you up.

you said you hope we can appreciate your situation... yeah cause we all went through it. Primes training pay is one of the highest in the industry. You have a plethora of support there and if you choose to rant on a forum rather than utilize those resources then YOU are the problem.

i know you were made well aware that you would not get paid during orientation, PSD or testing. heres a surprise for you MOST companies do not pay you during schooling. some dont pay for food hotel or transport either. and prime did. You have only completed 10,000 miles in TnT. so what is that, 2 to 3 weeks? you should have grossed $2100 in that 3 weeks, not $1400.

Perhaps you did not research enough about trucking, or CDL schooling and training. perhaps you need to calm down and ask the right people questions to get issues resolved. this is not the way to do it.

if you are only 3 weeks into this ... cause you have only been employed since you tested... and you are acting like this.... then, no sir, you wont make it.

i hope this was just frustration and venting rather than a real and total meltdown. talk to the powers that be and get things resolved.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Sleep Apnea:

A physical disorder in which you have pauses in your breathing, or take shallow breaths, during sleep. These pauses can last anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes. Normal breathing will usually resume, sometimes with a loud choking sound or snort.

In obstructive sleep apnea, your airways become blocked or collapse during sleep, causing the pauses and shallow breathing.

It is a chronic condition that will require ongoing management. It affects about 18 million people in the U.S.

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

PSD:

Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.

TNT:

Trainer-N-Trainee

Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.

The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.

The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Old School's Comment
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I'm no quitter

I am sure glad you posted that statement just before you finished that rather lengthy post, because every statement you made before that sure convinced me otherwise!

Dan, you've convinced me that trucking may not be the best career choice for you. I think you need to reassess your situation and ask yourself, "Do I Have What It Takes To Be A Successful Truck Driver?"

Look, communication has a lot to do with being successful at this. We advised you who to communicate with and even what needs to be discussed. What did you do with that information? Well, you basically acted as though we were idiots! What gives with you?

Rainy D.'s Comment
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What gives is that he went home to a stack.of bills and a wife eyeballing him about how to pay them. he probably has kids going back to school so supplies and new clothes are needed. sports uniforms etc. i get it. in a few weeks you will be making good money, possibly double the training pay which will help you catch up.

life is full of sacrifices and in the beginning you must sacrifice a bit. follow the tips in my budgeting article you were so excited about and get things in order. then take some deep breaths.

then go make some calls about your pay...which now you have to wait until monday.

good luck

Brett Aquila's Comment
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if you are only 3 weeks into this ... cause you have only been employed since you tested... and you are acting like this.... then, no sir, you wont make it.

I agree completely. Anyone who is still in training and gets this frustrated and starts pointing fingers and complaining how poor everyone around them is doing isn't going to be around for long.

It's funny because I'm brand new to alpine climbing and I'm paying really good money to hire the best fitness coach and climbers I can find to teach me how to climb and how to get my fitness to a high level. I pay these people, and yet I'm constantly thanking them for being so patient and taking the time to help me. I'm always telling them that I hope they'll continue to work with me and won't drop me in favor of people with more experience, better skills, or better potential. For me it's truly an honor to get the opportunity to learn from mentors with more years of climbing experience than I have days of experience.

Then I listen to people like you, Dan, and I'm just completely baffled by your complete lack of self-awareness. What have you done for anyone in trucking, Dan? You've never turned a mile alone in a truck. You've never had a week of efficiency at a high enough level to produce a profit for your company. You're out there in diapers with training wheels being paid even though you are utterly clueless about truck driving, and all you can do is complain that being mentored by one of the largest and most successful carriers in the nation isn't going well enough for you?

Good grief, man. Wake up! You're the one who can't pull their own weight. You're the one who doesn't know what they're doing. You're the one that's dragging down the company's profits because they need to hold your hand instead of having you haul freight on your own.

If you're in a situation that you can't understand or didn't expect then act like a professional adult and speak with someone about it. Ask them if anything can be done to keep you rolling. But throwing a tirade and criticizing highly successful people really speaks volumes of your utter lack of gratitude or self-awareness.

We sure do live in a "me first" world these days. Good grief.

Baffle:

A partition or separator within a liquid tank, used to inhibit the flow of fluids within the tank. During acceleration, turning, and braking, a large liquid-filled tank may produce unexpected forces on the vehicle due to the inertia of liquids.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Harry H. [ navypoppop ]'s Comment
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Dan, I think that you were expecting something that was not "in the cards". I bet you did not listen or understand everything that was explained during orientation concerning your pay and what you had to pay for. Prime is a big and great company and they did not single out for trying to make a few dollars off you. Listen to Rainey, Old school and all the other people on this forum that have always tried to help a "newbie" or seasoned driver with any issues because they have already been there. If you want it to work as much as you say then don't be a quitter because the pay will increase for you and stay at least a year to complete your obligation to Prime. Hang in there

Dan S.'s Comment
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Thank you for all of the replies and input.

Major Life changes can be MANY things ALL at once Especially when being displaced from one's day to day norm.

Most involve the secretions of Negative Emotions / Feelings / Thoughts?

Feelings / Emotions can be ignorant. There are times when one should follow their Heart, but more often than not, it's best to subscribe to more rational thinking.

Uncertainty of the Unknown and Unforseen can be and is disorienting, and knock one off of their "Center".

It happens to the best of us.

When going into a new job, let alone a new career, it is best to get ones feet under them as quickly as possible, learn and get to know "The Systems as quickly as possible. As well as its Key Players.

In my ignorance (Not Knowing or Understanding) I have failed.

I feel duped, but not by Prime, my FM , and before I go pointing A finger at anyone else I feel it best to look at the three I've got pointing back at myself, and identify my weaknesses \ shortcomings and seek self improvement.

I've BEEN "called out" here

And I feel RIGHTEOUSLY so.

Time to pull back, regroup, rethink and check myself.

Again Thanks for the input of suggestions and perspective.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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Thank you for all of the replies and input.

Major Life changes can be MANY things ALL at once Especially when being displaced from one's day to day norm.

Most involve the secretions of Negative Emotions / Feelings / Thoughts?

Feelings / Emotions can be ignorant. There are times when one should follow their Heart, but more often than not, it's best to subscribe to more rational thinking.

Uncertainty of the Unknown and Unforseen can be and is disorienting, and knock one off of their "Center".

It happens to the best of us.

When going into a new job, let alone a new career, it is best to get ones feet under them as quickly as possible, learn and get to know "The Systems as quickly as possible. As well as its Key Players.

In my ignorance (Not Knowing or Understanding) I have failed.

I feel duped, but not by Prime, my FM , and before I go pointing A finger at anyone else I feel it best to look at the three I've got pointing back at myself, and identify my weaknesses \ shortcomings and seek self improvement.

I've BEEN "called out" here

And I feel RIGHTEOUSLY so.

Time to pull back, regroup, rethink and check myself.

Again Thanks for the input of suggestions and perspective.

Marine, if you made it through boot camp, not to mention 20 years in the Corps, you can make it through this. You know there is no such thing as retreat, but, as you said, you can fall back and regroup for the next attack. :)

Get on the phone with the company and your creditors (if you haven't spoken with them all) Monday AM. Some creditors will let you just pay the interest portion of your bill and extend the loan. Others will set up a payment schedule for you. See if you can do that for 6 months. In the end, whether you rent or own, it takes a while to get you out of your house. Talk to family, see if any can help you out. Check out Goodwill and Salvation Army for clothes and other needs My brother did this for 30 years, and I could never understand why, both he and his wife have good jobs. Of course, he has over $300K in the bank for retirement, and I am scrambling to put money in before I retire.

Catholic Charities and other food banks, there are many options available to help, but you have to seek them out and ask. And swallow your pride, if that is an issue. If you are like me, you will do whatever you have to do to take care of your family.

Put an ad on craigslist and on facebook groups for your town that you are available to do any odd jobs you are capable of, if you are at home waiting, I 'm not clear on where you are. Eat cheap meals. Spaghetti goes a long way, beans and rice, etc.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DWI:

Driving While Intoxicated

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Dan S.'s Comment
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Thanks for the input.

I'm doing all the above. And all of my creditors are satisfied and pacified for the time being as I've been in touch with them. I believe a LOT of this is just having too much idle time on my hands, "paralysis by over analysis ", a whole lot of ignorance on my part. (Ignoramcd being definrd by me aa just not knowing about something, "stupidity being knowing or knowing better and going ahead and doing something or not doing something when you know better)

Combine that with a healthy RESPECT gain by years of experience with the Law Of Unforseen Consequences & Mr. Murphy, (Of Murphy's Law).

Ignorance of "Tha' Systems and its Key Players. I know the Marine Corps "System " in and out.

The Trucking Industry, Prime Inc.?

I'm like a newborn puppy in tall grass? Don't know where I'm at? How I got there? Nor how to find my way back out?

Still learning the "Language"/Slang/Lingo

The more I learn? The more I realize how much there is to learn. And it can be a steep learning curve one must overcome quick, fast and in a hurry like!

Pain, regardless of the form it presents itself, mental, emotional, psychological, physical or even financially is weakness leaving the mind, body, Ect.

Pain is a most EXCELLENT and OUTSTANDING Teacher / Instructor.

The Lessons taught and learned are NOT soon forgotten.

"Systems" be they governmental, businesses, or other organizations by default sooner or later become operationally convienant for those who those who SERVE in then and NOT for those for which they were initially created to SERVE.

My ignorance, (aka the three proverbial fingers I've got pointing back at myself) of Primes organizational system, and its Key players is the SINGLE greatest thing THAT put me where I find myself.

In light of such, and in hindsight I should have, could have, would have,......

But that's all water over the damn and under the bridge now.

A painful one, but one well taught and learned.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Old School's Comment
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I don't have the time to elaborate, but this is your biggest misconception about your situation.

I'm extremely busy today but I hope someone else can help you understand this.

Old School's Comment
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Oops, here's what I think you're completely wrong about...

Primes organizational system, and its Key players is the SINGLE greatest thing THAT put me where I find myself.
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