Switched To A Local Account

That's not "Trucking Truth." So we need you to be candid at this point. You set this up - please give us a number sir.

I agree. I'd like to hear some specifics. What was your CPM when you were OTR and what are you making now? Why are you dodging this instead of just putting it out there?

You seriously deleted my comment? Wow.

It typically takes a lot for a comment to get edited or deleted. At some point it gets tiresome, and particular comments disappear.

Remember more than anything - this is not a democracy - this is not a bastion of first amendment rights or privacy. This is a PRIVATE FORUM whose content is dictated by the MAN WHO OWNS IT. Contrary to popular belief - mods don't have edit/delete privileges. Brett is the ONLY ONE who has these. And I've found him to be quite tolerant over the decade I've been here.

Someone recently, responded to me pretty nastily. I was weighing the option of responding, or just taking an extended vacation from the board. Despite the fact that I haven't had the opportunity to get out and drive (not that I wouldn't love to, but a number of things have prevented it from happening, much to my constant frustration). The "offender" has made many positive contributions here - Brett deleted the post and warned the member, before I even contacted him to express my own frustration with the individual.

And folks who are constantly negative, or challenge the established facts of the industry, or the relative (cough cough) "harmony" of the membership here, are going to cross a threshold where their stuff starts to disappear - or they get the polite suggestion to move on if the subtle (or not) hint of a comment deletion doesn't send the message adequately.

So really - if your purpose for posting here has devolved to being a "controversialist" (which is different from a "devils advocate"), or simply to troll - then you have to take a minute to examine your TRUE MOTIVES for being here, and decide whether it isn't time to be elsewhere.

I can't imagine the frustrations Brett goes through, trying to keep this place "true to purpose", and that purpose can bring about ill feeling from people who want to divert it from that.

If this seems "heavy handed" to you - so be it. But in the final analysis - it's BRETTS SANDBOX and he decides who gets to play in it.

Rick

There is a pattern with several members (some former), that seem to take great pleasure in posting once or twice a month and offering content of little to no value, opposing that which is reasonable. And then disappearing...back into the safety of other social media outlets. Ring a bell Chris?

When anyone makes an unsubstantiated claim like: “I’ve doubled my pay since moving to a local job”, and then changing the story, a request for supporting information and clarity of context is warranted. It’s a request that’s neither invasive or offensive. An unsupported claim that is either far left or far right of conventional wisdom; is NOT about the truth Chris. It’s actually irresponsible and sends the wrong message to many unsuspecting readers.

then changing the story,

How did I change the story? I'm still making double of what I made OTR , it doesnt matter what I could have done differently. I am making double that.

I guess I missed a little something that went on in here earlier. I'm going to take a guess that somebody took offense and thought we were being unreasonable in asking for some numbers to support this claim that someone doubled their pay just by transferring to a different division within their company.

Here's the deal... we dedicate a lot of time and effort here teaching people how things work in this industry. One of the most confusing things for new drivers to understand is how the pay works. Everybody wants to make the most they can, but very few of them understand how you get that done. I've done well in trucking, but one thing that I know would be impossible for me to do is double my pay by switching jobs. It just doesn't happen.

We've repeatedly said how happy we are that Jamie is enjoying his new position, and we are genuine in that sentiment. He's a great member who has shared a lot of his struggles and triumphs in here. His foray into trucking has been very informative for newbies following along with both his victorys and his issues. We love this guy!

It would be really nice for him to give us some numbers. I don't know how he could double his pay with a simple move like this. An OTR driver can set his own standard of measure. He has power over his results. He can earn as much as he can legally produce within the rules and regulations. We see this all the time. Some folks get right in there and make it happen, but most of us rookies struggle with producing the kind of results we long for. That's why we stress sticking with it for one full year. Nobody figures this stuff out overnight. It's a tough career to bust into as a beginner.

He did say this...

over all I was on track to drive around 110,000 miles my first year

Okay, I'm speculating here, because it's all I can do at this point. Let's put a CPM rate to that. I don't know what he started at, but let's just say he was making 35 cents per mile. That puts his rookie pay at $38,500 for the year. Imagine if he had turned 135,000 miles. It's certainly doable for a rookie driver - I've seen plenty of them do more than that. His pay then goes up to $47,250 - a very respectable amount for a new driver.

If my first calculation is close, and I believe it is, then by doubling his pay he would be getting paid in excess of $77,000 now on this new account. This is a new driver. It just doesn't add up to those of us who've been out here for a while. That's why we are questioning this. We like facts because we are in the business of teaching people. You can't teach anything without accurate information and facts.

There's nothing critical toward Jamie in all this. C'mon we are all adults. We'd just like to know the facts before we present a bunch of misleading information to some information starved newbies. I think Jamie likes his steady consistent pay check - that's great - I'm happy for him. I just think he misspoke about doubling his pay. I'm hoping he will help us figure it out.

then changing the story,

How did I change the story? I'm still making double of what I made OTR , it doesnt matter what I could have done differently. I am making double that.

Being on track to hit 110k miles in a year at a flat $0.40 a mile would be $44k. So technically double that would come up short of $100k, but my impression is that $12k gap isn't what's being disputed here... so what am I missing? lol

My classmate got .29 per mile to start with Schneider. I've posted that here previously. I got .39 to start and got raised up to .41. Maybe Jamie started at .29 also, which would throw all the calculations off.

Maybe Jamie can clarify the issue by telling us what his starting CPM was. If Jamie said he was getting double, but that was just a rough estimate, then I say Jamie was just saying what he thought.

this forum was much more tolerant of opposing points of view and debate several years ago

That's funny Tractor Man! If there is anything we've tried to do in this conversation is try to have an open debate. Mum's the word though. Silence is the only response from the one person that could clarify this little problem. Why do you think that is?

We love to present factual evidence of how things work out here. That's how people learn in here, and it's why each of you has benefitted greatly from this site. So far in this conversation, everyone seems hell bent on being upset that we appreciate facts and truth, and have the audacity to ask for it!

I guess we can just let everybody say whatever they want as long as we are all happy about getting to say whatever we want. That sounds really great! The only problem is that there are plenty of those kind of sites already. I don't know... I thought we wanted to be an exceptionally helpful place that nourished new trucking careers along. Maybe I logged in to the wrong place today.

I’ll restate something already posted;

Until Jamie has some extended experience with this new job; any comparison to his OTR income is a tad anecdotal at this point.

Like I said...delivering for Home Depot tends to be seasonal with demand. Once he has a full year of paychecks, then and only then can he make an accurate comparison.

And...and, if Jamie is happy with the new gig...that is really great. We all need to find our niche’ in this business... sometimes it takes a while. Tractor knows all about this.

Good luck Jamie, be safe in the neighborhoods and conduct yourself with the highest level of professionalism and courtesy. It will be noticed.

Maybe I logged in to the wrong place today.

Nope, you're in the right place. We've just been hanging onto some of the wrong people for far too long now. I'm in the process of cleaning things up around here as we speak.

We're on the exact same mission we've always been on and we're going to take the same approach we've always taken. If people are going to tell lies or exaggerate their situation to make themselves look and feel better, like Jamie is doing right now, they're going to get called out on it. If anyone is going to make a factual statement that goes against the norm they're going to be asked to prove it.

Jamie, can you explain to me why you're refusing to share your numbers with us? You were perfectly fine bragging to the world about how you just doubled your salary, but yet you refuse to give us any numbers so we can do the math. I find that more than a little bit telling, and so does anyone else with a discerning eye.

You started this with your bold claims, now let's see you back them up if they're true.