Well This Sucks :( Sent Home From Prime

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Turtle's Comment
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I understand your frustration, but think you should consider Prime's position, Harvest.

They initially paid to bus you to your first orientation last summer. They paid for your hotel and food during your orientation period. Then they paid me $850 to train you for your CDL , and paid you $250 for that also. They absorbed the cost of the truck, insurance, and related expenses during your PSD phase. A phase that, I might add, produced far less revenue than would be produced from a truck operated by an experienced driver.

Prime invested a lot of time, effort, and money into your training in hopes that you would someday become a productive driver. You quit on them during the TNT phase, so all of the aforementioned investment was put to waste.

Yet they offered to bring you back again under the assumption your slate was still clean, which it wasn't.

You should be thankful they even gave you a second chance instead of griping over some gas money.


Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.


Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.



Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.

The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.

The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.

Turtle Protege (formerly 's Comment
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Don't know if you Googled "Say Anything" and "Gas and Sip," but this is the point that I was trying to make with humor: ask those complainers, "If Western Express is a second chance company, why are you here?" The obvious answer is that they are second chance drivers who need a second chance company.

I have some experience with 12-step programs. The people who succeed at those programs do so because they listen to the stories of all the "losers" at the meeting and say "I belong here." It's that attitude of taking responsibility for the decisions in one's life that makes that person decide to turn his life around by changing his attitude and behavior. "If nothing changes, nothing changes."

So my question to you regarding the "complain, blame, and criticize" people you've already found there, is are you going to join them?

Or are you going to recognize that you are there is because you belong there. But that doesn't mean that you need to stay there, or worse that you get to the point where need to look for a "third chance" company.


Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Mr. Curmudgeon's Comment
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And, to follow on Protege's sage commentary... being there means you GOT that second chance. Don't squander the good fortune that landed you there. Your second chance employment is Kind of like the end of Private Ryan... "earn it".

Let the gas money go, chalk it up to a lesson learned, and move forward. Your new employer isn't going to want to catch a whiff of u complaining about your former employer. It does nothing to support their taking a chance on you, because by your own statements as background info, they did.

Not intended as flaming, but also i opted to be honest and drop the diplomatic tone. There is a disney (i think) tune called let it go. You should. Or don't. Your success or lack thereof rests in YOUR hands.

Old School's Comment
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This is all excellent advice guys! That's what I love about this group, they talk straight. Truth isn't always easily digested. It may seem like bitter medicine at times. It's curative powers will eventually work wonders for us as long as we take what we need.

Harvest, I was immediately concerned when I saw your comments about the reimbursement issues. You can't let something like that put you on a downward spiral. Focus on your current situation. Do everything you can to be the best driver Western Express has ever seen. That effort will push you to the point of understanding how to be successful at this.

It takes a lot of commitment and passion to succeed at trucking. That takes serious work. It's always easier to play the blame game and be critical of the company. That approach relieves us from accepting responsibility for our shortcomings. It's also easier because almost everyone we are around takes that approach. I have yet to meet a room full of successful truckers. I meet them one at a time. Anytime I'm in a group of truckers they are the whining complaining types who are constantly moving from one company to the next. They're on a continuous quest for that super secret trucking company that will treat them with the respect they are certain they deserve.

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