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Chief Brody's Comment
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There seems to be confusion on this forum. Both Fox News and CNN are mainstream media and they are both biased. In fact Fox News ratings are much higher than CNN. Therefore I can’t see how Fox News would be considered anything but mainstream media and with the dominant bias being put out.

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I don't think anyone ever claimed that Fox News was not mainstream.

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Chief Brodie did and I was responding to when he specifically called CNN main stream and referred to Fox News as contra media. I just wanted to point out that Fox News has a higher viewership than CNN, therefore mainstream. I have no agenda. I come to this site to learn about trucking.

While Fox is indeed "mainstream media" I think many consider it different politically from CNN. That was my only point.

PackRat's Comment
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Infomercials utilizing sign language from 0100 to 0500 have more loyal viewers than CNN.

midnight fox's Comment
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By the age 23 one out of three black males have spent time in jail or prison.

I couldn't find this data. It sounds like a version of the "1 out of 3 black men will go to prison at some point during their lifetime" that goes around sometimes. That came from the 2001 'Prevalence of Imprisonment in U.S. Population' report the Bureau of Justice Statistics puts out.

It was an estimate that said, if the rate of first-time incarcerations in 2001 and the mortality rate remained the same in every single year, about 1 in 3 black males born in 2001 would be expected to go to prison at some point in their lives.

But it was just a future estimate; the rate changes each year, overall incarceration of Black people had dropped by around 20% from 2001 to 2015, it was just one way of looking at what the data might suggest for how things could lead over the next several decades for people born in that year.

The hard data from that report showed that in 2001, 1,936,000 Black male adults had at some point served time in state or federal prison. That's 16.6% of all Black male adults at the time, half the '1 in 3' estimate.

But it is true Black men are far more likely than White people to at one point in their lives be imprisoned, over twice as likely than Hispanics and over six times as likely than Whites. It's also true this likelihood is a completely different statistic than homicide offenders and violent crime. Black people are six times more likely to be imprisoned on drug charges than White people, for example.

I think as far as responsibility for one's actions goes, an individual is more responsible than any other factor, since its their brain that formulates their priorities and makes a decision. Yet I also recognize the reality that what determines a choice involves more than just the individual, both in terms of what the individual is repeatedly presented with to choose from and in terms of the experiences they didn't choose that shape their perspective and subsequently their formulas for prioritizing their needs and values and formulating a response. This is reflected in that example where over 50% of thirty years' worth of gun assaults in Boston took place in just 7% of the city. I couldn't say what one person's crime or incarceration owes to without knowing the specific circumstances of what specifically happened.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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By the age 23 one out of three black males have spent time in jail or prison.

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I couldn't find this data. It sounds like a version of the "1 out of 3 black men will go to prison at some point during their lifetime" that goes around sometimes. That came from the 2001 'Prevalence of Imprisonment in U.S. Population' report the Bureau of Justice Statistics puts out.

It was an estimate that said, if the rate of first-time incarcerations in 2001 and the mortality rate remained the same in every single year, about 1 in 3 black males born in 2001 would be expected to go to prison at some point in their lives.

But it was just a future estimate; the rate changes each year, overall incarceration of Black people had dropped by around 20% from 2001 to 2015, it was just one way of looking at what the data might suggest for how things could lead over the next several decades for people born in that year.

The hard data from that report showed that in 2001, 1,936,000 Black male adults had at some point served time in state or federal prison. That's 16.6% of all Black male adults at the time, half the '1 in 3' estimate.

But it is true Black men are far more likely than White people to at one point in their lives be imprisoned, over twice as likely than Hispanics and over six times as likely than Whites. It's also true this likelihood is a completely different statistic than homicide offenders and violent crime. Black people are six times more likely to be imprisoned on drug charges than White people, for example.

I think as far as responsibility for one's actions goes, an individual is more responsible than any other factor, since its their brain that formulates their priorities and makes a decision. Yet I also recognize the reality that what determines a choice involves more than just the individual, both in terms of what the individual is repeatedly presented with to choose from and in terms of the experiences they didn't choose that shape their perspective and subsequently their formulas for prioritizing their needs and values and formulating a response. This is reflected in that example where over 50% of thirty years' worth of gun assaults in Boston took place in just 7% of the city. I couldn't say what one person's crime or incarceration owes to without knowing the specific circumstances of what specifically happened.

I can't find the article I gleaned the 1 in 3 but that may indeed be and old figure, the Washington Post has a correction.

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TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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However, it is prudent and I think wise to use precaution for a police officer to be on guard for the possibility that he COULD be a violent criminal when their reason for contact is for alleged or a possibility of a crime to have been or is taking place. The police also use the exact same precaution when dealing with a white guy or Hispanic guy or Asian guy or whomever if also contact is for the same reason.

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I agree. Ideally every police officer would maintain situational awareness while approaching a potential crime scene suspect and respond appropriately to what they directly observe in that individual's behavior.

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Your percentages of one fingernails worth are woefully off.

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You randomly selected 100 people distributed by race. In 2019 there were roughly 44 million Black people in the country, and with a total population of around 329.5 million, that would mean 13 people in the room are Black, like you said.

You said a percentage of those 13 would be responsible for half the homicides in the country. From those FBI statistics we'd been discussing, there were 6,425 Black homicide offenders in 2019, which is where that 55.9% of all homicide offenders came from.

Of those 13 Black people in the room, 0.0001 of them would proportionally represent 55.9% of all homicide offenders in the country. Apparently one fingernail weighs 1 gram, so divided by one 70kg/154lb body, one fingernail works out to be 0.00001 of one body. So ten fingernails is 0.0001.

But you're right, I overlooked something, it should've been ten fingernails from each of the 13 Black people in the room in order to represent 55.9% of the country's homicide offenders.

Again, we're talking 6,425 individuals out of 44 million, or the equivalent of ten grams of body weight per 70,000g person.

On the first quote, I'm glad we could agree.

On the second...what with the sheer ridiculousness of you now pulling all 10 fingernails from the black people, giving an estimated weight for each nail combined with the attempt at mathematically explaining how many black men commit violent crimes or murder based off the calculations of fingernail weight and quantity......are you punking me or trolling me? Are you being serious? Because it seems like its an attempt at punking or humor.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
RealDiehl's Comment
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It's important to look at things in the correct perspective. I don't think anyone is implying that ethnicity determines a person's likelihood of committing violent crime or being put in jail. However, the statistics may lead some people to equate these things with skin color alone.

Violence and crime are not inherent traits among blacks in the United States (and like I said, I don't think anyone is implying that's the case). Instead, socioeconomics situations and other factors that lead to crime simply affect a higher percentage of blacks than whites. It does not excuse crime by any means. It may just help us understand why the statistics are so uneven.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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It's important to look at things in the correct perspective. I don't think anyone is implying that ethnicity determines a person's likelihood of committing violent crime or being put in jail. However, the statistics may lead some people to equate these things with skin color alone.

Violence and crime are not inherent traits among blacks in the United States (and like I said, I don't think anyone is implying that's the case). Instead, socioeconomics situations and other factors that lead to crime simply affect a higher percentage of blacks than whites. It does not excuse crime by any means. It may just help us understand why the statistics are so uneven.

Absolutely, as I mentioned before, the problem is not blacks being a violent race or anything of the sort. The problem is the sheer volume of GANGS in inner city neighborhoods as well as spread out into smaller communities in America. Stop the gang bangers and a large percentage of the most violent crimes and shootings/murders stop. If we don't get a handle on it soon we will be like Haiti and Mexico, Haiti, where gangs openly control large parts of the country with very violent means and Mexico and central America where gangs and cartels commit crime and murder with impunity.

Davy A.'s Comment
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It is indeed neither a racial nor ethnic trait that leads to higher crime. It's a cultural trait. Someone mentioned above about geography being very tied to crime. The culture and geography go hand in hand. The other major factor is drug use and distribution. Having lived in some very rough areas over the years, I've witnessed that, the culture of a bad hood is undeniably criminal.

Kerry L.'s Comment
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It is indeed neither a racial nor ethnic trait that leads to higher crime. It's a cultural trait. Someone mentioned above about geography being very tied to crime. The culture and geography go hand in hand. The other major factor is drug use and distribution. Having lived in some very rough areas over the years, I've witnessed that, the culture of a bad hood is undeniably criminal.

I am thankful that the distinction here is being made that it's the neighborhood, the cultural issues of people that live in a given area that are the issues, not the racial make up of the people

Brett Aquila's Comment
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I am thankful that the distinction here is being made that it's the neighborhood, the cultural issues of people that live in a given area that are the issues, not the racial make up of the people

No one ever said it was the racial makeup of the people that was the problem in the first place. Not one racist thing has been said. Why are you so desperate to pound this racism thing? No one has argued it. Your virtue-signaling is just nauseating. We get it, you're not racist! Yay Kerry! Let's all cheer for Kerry! Let's all tell Kerry what a great person we think he is because obviously, that's what he's after.

We see your virtue, Kerry! The signals are coming through loud and clear! You're such a great person!

Can you give it a rest now? Is your soul free to fly again? Because I would love to talk about something other than how not racist Kerry is.

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