Breaking A Contract

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xSquatchx's Comment
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So my girl and I are with prime. I’ve been on the road training for my 30,000 and have been loving it, but my girlfriend finally got a trainer who shouldn’t be one and things went south fast. The trainer wouldn’t let her drive, if she did drive the trainer would watch over her like a hawk, then would try to drive her shift after not sleeping all day. Her trainer would then stop and take 3 hour breaks while having a loaded truck to get sucked down and would then call dispatch to say it’s my girlfriends fault they are late to the drop. This lady has been with prime 8 months, has a brand new truck ( no idea how or who’s **** she sucked for it) yet says she can trust anyone who’s not my girl to drive with her then goes off telling her to stop talking before she does something she might regret doing with also saying she’s packing her **** and throwing her off the truck in the middle of BFE. My girls has called prime once before it got worse to tell them what’s going on and a second time when it got worse a couple days later. Prime paid for her hotel but then next morning calls and tells her it’s her fault and the trainer is perfect and has done nothing wrong. Tells my girlfriend to figure her way back home and they won’t pay her and she’s off pay till now. Basically my girlfriend was in a truck with Adolf hitler and would t allow the trucks Curtains to be open while my girlfriend wasn’t driving and had to stay in the back like a damn hermit crab.

Is this prime breaking a contract leaving her stranded in the middle of Slidell in an unsafe environment or just a **** company who doesn’t give a damn about the people they hire.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Mikey B.'s Comment
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Wow. WTF is up with the posts and those that have been posting them lately? So many like this, its confusing as to what's happening. Have we entered the upside down?

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Stevo Reno's Comment
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As far as her trainer driving on your gf's clock, she should'a snuck a pic or something as proof, and sent it into safety with details. Pictures worth 1000 words....

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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Hello.. We appreciate not using profanity here but I approved this to answer it. As a Prime driver, PSD/TNT Trainer, and a member of Prime's Driver Advisory Board that meets with management to improve Prime for the drivers... No it is NOT a craps company.

The trainer watched her like a hawk... That is her job. To make sure she is safe. I had several students that terrified me, one who honestly did not know left from right or that a double yellow line was 2 way traffic. I woke with her in the on coming traffic lane. I too would park the truck and yell her to go shower/ear/do laundry just so I could sleep because I truly did not feel safe with her driving. That sounds too be the case here. The trainer sounds as though the student is a scary driver. It happens. If this is the case and the trainer needed sleep because of an unsafe trainee... Then yes, it IS your girlfriends fault. Sorry.

As for a driver getting a brand new truck... That is not hard to do. And there are not sexual favors required to do so. Sorry to disappoint. Even as a company driver, I had brand new trucks.

As a trainer I often wanted the curtains closed while the student was sleeping... You know why? So they could SLEEP. If not, how will she drive her shift? I sleep with the curtains open so I can hear them called for help.

As for the Hitler comment... I know your are mad, but you are highly exaggerating. The best person to contact is Chris Martin or Steve Tassin. They are in charge of TNT issues. This would be the best way to resolve this. If she is insisting on a female trainer, there could be a wait list.

As for your contract issue.. Read your contract. NO they are not breaking it. The last one I saw stated "this is not a guarantee of employment". The contact is strictly a loaner forgiveness. If you for whatever reason do not work for a year, you owe the money.

I came through the PSD program myself and understand both sides. Ask for a new trainer through the two guys above

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

PSD:

Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.

TNT:

Trainer-N-Trainee

Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.

The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.

The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.

Trucker Chris (CK)'s Comment
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Hi Anthony, let's take a step back here and look at your post piece by piece.

my girlfriend finally got a trainer who shouldn’t be one and things went south fast. The trainer wouldn’t let her drive, if she did drive the trainer would watch over her like a hawk, then would try to drive her shift after not sleeping all day. Her trainer would then stop and take 3 hour breaks while having a loaded truck to get sucked down and would then call dispatch to say it’s my girlfriends fault they are late to the drop.

It is not your job to decide who should and who should not be a trainer. This is a decision that is made by the training department after recommendation by the fleet manager; we have to meet certain requirements in order to be recommended. I find it very hard to believe your girlfriend's trainer wouldn't let her drive; that's a rare accusation and flies in the face of the common argument "the trainer is making the trainee do all the work." You better believe we are going to watch a new driver like a hawk, my life is in the hands of my student. I'm also here to train, and I will make constructive criticisms when mistakes are made, as will I coach when something can be done better, or in a way I prefer. Training is stressful, and it's rare I get a full 8 hours sleep with a new trainee. I also take three hour breaks when needed. Is it possible that your girlfriend is driving too slow, stopping too much or otherwise causing delays? Most of our loads are not super tight, but some are. While the trainer shouldn't be driving on the student's clock, I have to wonder what truly lead up to it.

This lady has been with prime 8 months, has a brand new truck ( no idea how or who’s **** she sucked for it)...

Stop, just stop. You just made a very inappropriate, childish sexual comment about a female coworker. I promise you the company takes this stuff very seriously, and they are active on this board. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Many drivers get a brand new trick fresh out of training. I certainly did.

...yet says she can trust anyone who’s not my girl to drive with her then goes off telling her to stop talking before she does something she might regret doing with

Um... what? Please restate in a coherent manner, thx.

also saying she’s packing her **** and throwing her off the truck in the middle of BFE.

Something obviously lead up to this blow up, and you're not providing the full story. While it's not appropriate to drop someone off in the middle of nowhere, any company terminal will certainly do. If it's a matter of safety, that's a different issue entirely and will be handled by the trainer at her own peril with the company. It's very rare to just kick someone off the truck without good reason.

My girls has called prime once before it got worse to tell them what’s going on and a second time when it got worse a couple days later. Prime paid for her hotel but then next morning calls and tells her it’s her fault and the trainer is perfect and has done nothing wrong. Tells my girlfriend to figure her way back home and they won’t pay her and she’s off pay till now.

Sounds like your girlfriend could potentially the one in the wrong. Her first step in resolving the issue is to have an adult conversation with her trainer and try to work it out. The next step is the fleet manager. If that doesn't work, she needs to work her way up the chain of command.

Basically my girlfriend was in a truck with Adolf hitler and would t allow the trucks Curtains to be open while my girlfriend wasn’t driving and had to stay in the back like a damn hermit crab.

Calling the trainer Hitler is an insult to all those who suffered under his orders. No, the trainer is not Hitler. They may be awful, in your opinion, but let's tone it down. What are you even trying to convey about curtains and crabs?

It is true that if your girlfriend is in Sleeper berth status she is to remain behind the front seats. Legally, she cannot ride up front while loging SB time. Is that something that confuses you? If so, we can elaborate in a follow up post.

Is this prime breaking a contract leaving her stranded in the middle of Slidell in an unsafe environment or just a **** company who doesn’t give a damn about the people they hire.

Prime has provided your girlfriend with a trainer and has upheld its end of the bargain. What is unsafe about the environment she was left in? In your 30,000 miles of TNT you should have a pretty good idea of the company, and it should be clear to you how well we are treated, but you seem to have made up your mind to the contrary because of whatever this situation with your girlfriend has been.

Please approach this "like a grown-up" and try again. Btw... why isn't your girlfriend the one posting if she is the one having the issues? It would be easier to address her concerns directly.

P.S. I see Kearsey responded above. Read her post, line by line, and absorb it.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

TNT:

Trainer-N-Trainee

Prime Inc has their own CDL training program and it's divided into two phases - PSD and TNT.

The PSD (Prime Student Driver) phase is where you'll get your permit and then go on the road for 10,000 miles with a trainer. When you come back you'll get your CDL license and enter the TNT phase.

The TNT phase is the second phase of training where you'll go on the road with an experienced driver for 30,000 miles of team driving. You'll receive 14¢ per mile ($700 per week guaranteed) during this phase. Once you're finished with TNT training you will be assigned a truck to run solo.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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As far as her trainer driving on your gf's clock, she should'a snuck a pic or something as proof, and sent it into safety with details. Pictures worth 1000 words....

I took this to mean the trainer is a woman who was awake all day watching the student drive, then drove her own shift without sleep. I don't think he was saying the trainer drove on the student clock.

If so, big no no.

Something interesting though. If the trainer was supposed to be sleeping during the day, the student was not forced into night shift which is a huge complaint from most.

Banks's Comment
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Wow. WTF is up with the posts and those that have been posting them lately? So many like this, its confusing as to what's happening. Have we entered the upside down?

Mi guess is that once that unemployment bonus ended, people jumped into trucking not knowing what it is. Now, all of a sudden everyone is a mechanical genius and an engineer. They know what's best and they won't hear anything different. It's not what they thought it would be and now they want an out so they're trying to find any excuse they can. The equipment isn't safe, my trainer isn't safe, my trainer is mean etc. Like they say in wall street bets, time to shake the paperhands.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Davy A.'s Comment
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Also wondering if the pervasive "drivers shortage so I'm instantly valuable and entitled" being pedaled currently might be contributing?

Larry T.'s Comment
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Been reading all these trainer bashing posts and chuckle. I had a total a hole training engineer and thank god it was for only 5 days. He drove a total of zero miles, which i actually loved driving 500+ miles a day. Refused to help or give any pointers with backing, and it made his day watching me be nervous on the Pennsylvania back roads. Just a total jerk loving making the miles and 100 bucks a day with a student. He did allow me to smoke in his truck however he wrote I liked to drive with one hand. lol.

I'm guessing its a safety thing and the trainer is not comfortable. If you cant swallow your pride and handle a week or two with a jerk trainer, good luck making it on your own as a new driver.

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