C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

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PackRat's Comment
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The end of Season One for, "I Was Secretly Ingesting Meth." Season Two will need to be a useful diary of, "A SAP Program Completed."

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Old School's Comment
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I'm not disputing your statement but isnt that mostly/entirely for DOT tests? I'm legitimately asking as I don't know

Travis, it's a good question. The fact is no legitimate trucking company hires people who have failed a drug test. They don't really care if it was a D.O.T. pee test or not. There is a question on the federal paperwork that asks, "Have you ever failed a drug test?" How is the OP going to answer that one. He's honest. He's gone out of his way to make sure we understand that.

The reason so many trucking companies are doing non D.O.T. testing is so they can keep people from gaming the system. They are willing to spend extra money to guard themselves against unwanted liabilities. Proof of a SAP program is the only thing that will induce them to hire someone who has failed a drug test, and even that does not force them to do so. A failed drug test (whether D.O.T. or not) is as much a trucking career killer as a rollover accident. In fact it may be worse.

We can empathize with our friend here, but his options are very limited. We have no idea of the veracity of his tale, but we've taken his story and advised the best we know how.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Matthew P.'s Comment
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Kal el. It wasn't a waste of time. Provoked a great discussion on testing etc. Some people are very firm in their opinions......obviously.

So, bottom line is you had exposure to meth. You are telling us you don't know where it came from. Going to take that statement and give you the benefit of the doubt. Your test results are well above threshold. I know of no way right now to quantify the amount of meth that was processed in your body to give those kind of results. You can "infer" significant exposure from it and that is about as accurate as you can get. Who knows?

So, to me.......now it looks like you're going to need to take the best of some bad options. SAP program. You can discuss everything you said here with a trained counselor and more. You could shine this on and go do something else. There probably are a few other choices too. Guess it is time for you to make some decisions based on what you now know and what you would like to do.

I do wish you well with all of this. It is a lot. A divorce a crazy drug addicted ex and now this. That is a plateful.

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I won't be wasting any more of your time, folks. Unfortunately I am unable to prove myself. I maintain my innocence, but I cannot prove it. I apologize for wasting everyone's time.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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A failed drug test (whether D.O.T. or not) is as much a trucking career killer as a rollover accident. In fact it may be worse.

The Persian Conversion (and my Tom) is a perfect example, actually. Life, Death, and Resurrection.

There's always an opportunity comes up that allows me to drag up that educational thread.

Old School; do you still keep in touch with him? (Someday, I'll post Tom's story. I can't find the 'report' at the moment; it was 10 years ago, with a tank.)

Best to y'all,

~ Anne ~

Old School's Comment
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Old School; do you still keep in touch with him?

I have no idea what he's doing these days.

Pacific Pearl's Comment
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So, pick yourself up, get your CDL , complete SAP and drive on. You'll have fewer options to choose from, but you do have options.

Trucking companies that take SAP program

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Travis's Comment
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It's 2022..."I Became A Male Lot Lizard" would he more a la mode 😂😭😭🤢

The end of Season One for, "I Was Secretly Ingesting Meth." Season Two will need to be a useful diary of, "A SAP Program Completed."

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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In your original post you asked...

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What can I do?

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Many of us gave you the best advice possible. You've refused to take it. The FMCSA gives you one path to take if you want to get into this career after a failed drug test.

You are all hung up on your own integrity. You'll have to get over that and go through the SAP process. It's the only way I know of to deal with this problem.

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At this point, doesn't look like I have a choice. I want to drive. That is my only chance in hell of being able to do so. I don't think I have any other options. I'm still waiting for my DAC report, not sure how long that takes to hear a response from. It's not on the Clearing House, just waiting to get back my DAC report.

Anyway, I have taken enough of everyone's time. I have a few life choices to make. Thanks, everyone.

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Kal 'el;

IMHO, you've NOT been a 'waste' of anyone's time. Somehow, with all you've been through; I do believe that when you get this sorted out and it's all resolute, your conundrum can & will be a help, to future drivers, stopping in here.

Please keep sharing your (unfortunate) journey. Let us know how your DAC comes back (you can get a free one from HireRight) DAC History Report, and what the protocol/enrollment, etc . . . entails with the S.A.P. program you'll be entering.

Thanks, and always best wishes;

~ Anne ~

ps; Again, I'm sorry. I've got empathy, as I mentioned, re: my late ex husband. I'm closer to your plight than many/most. Mine ended otherwise, however.

Update: Got my CDL yesterday and will be working by the end of the month for a damn good company driving OTR. All the nay sayers obviously didn't take Karma in to play. Somebody up there was looking out for me after all and my career will move forward despite the positive test that I did not earn. As I said before, nothing is going to stop me from achieving my goals. :)

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

PackRat's Comment
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Please explain to us how you managed to get past the positive drug test from CRE.

Still need that popcorn emoji.

Kal-el T.'s Comment
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Should the driver members here be apologetic over not posting what you wanted to hear? The name on this site tells all: Trucking Truth.

We wish you success and good luck.

First, I never used drugs to begin with despite people''s claim otherwise. Second, I was at a school, I was not working for the company therefore it was not part of any employment history. So when I am asked, "have you ever failed a drug screen from previous employment" I can honestly answer no. It was not on my DAC report nor was it on my Clearinghouse.

I payed $4,500 with my own money to attend school, got my CDL Class A License with no restrictions (I trained with a manual 10 speed) and am completely free to get a job at any company I wish. Had I been taking that test for employment rather than eligibility for a school, I would for sure be in deep trouble. However, that was not the case and I am free to work anywhere of my choosing. I did not need to attend any drug programs and listen to any "specialists" tell me that I am in denial when I in fact have never done any drugs what so ever, not even the holy so called grail that everyone seems to praise which is weed, much less the harder stuff that exists out there.

I didn't deserve any of the stress I was put through and despite what people may think, as accurate as that hair follicle test may be at nailing people who actually do use drugs, it is also nailing people all over America for something they didn't do. There is plenty of evidence out there that supports people testing positive simply for being in a relationship with somebody who uses drugs. Police officers have tested positive simply for being around the stuff during drug busts. Meth addicts will literally...how should I say this...drink each other's toxic waste to get high from one another. There is a lot of evidence out there that proves a hair follicle test is a flawed method of testing and I would not be shocked if at some point in the future, these drug testing labs did not find themselves in a class action lawsuit for stating otherwise.

Sure, it gets drug addicts, and that's a good thing. I don't want a drug addict out there on the road any more than you do. It's bad enough we have alcoholics out there driving tractor trailer combination vehicles. It was not long ago a female police officer was crushed by a drunk driving truck driver...it was horrible. But the problem is, that test is also condemning people who literally do not use and their only crime was either wittingly or (in my case) unwittingly married to somebody who was using drugs.

And just to be clear, somebody said earlier in this thread that they can't believe that I had no idea she was on drugs. Then clearly you don't know my ex wife. I worked as an RF Specialist for Spectrum, I worked long and hard hours for that company. I did not see my wife all that often and she wasn't the typical tweeker that you see acting like oddballs in the grocery stores. She did a very good job at hiding her addiction from me. Did I suspect something wasn't right here and there? Sure, money mysteriously vanishing, her staying out all night and not coming home till morning, her sudden anger issues that she had developed over the past couple of years, her lashing out over the smallest of things...sure, there were some red flags, but no real evidence. When you are married to somebody for 4 years, you don't divorce them over a suspicion that may or may not be true. You want proof.

I finally got my proof in July of 2021. I gave her an opportunity to save the marriage if she went to rehab. She looked me dead in the eye and said, "F**k rehab." She actually said verbatim, "I don't have a problem with drugs, it is you who has a problem with me using drugs, therefore it's your problem and not mine." Yeah, she said that.

One night she lost her mind and destroyed my home and everything in it...WHILE MY KIDS WERE HOME!!! At that point, I went straight downtown and took out a restraining order on her and had her removed from my home. This happened on Sept of 2021. Her kids, who I love dearly were forced to move in with their grandparents because I could not go to work and take care of them at the same time. My own daughter had to go live with my parents because she wanted to attend a better school outside the city, which freed me up to pursue a career in truck driving. Inner city schools are a nightmare.

So all within a short time, I lost my wife, two of my adopted kids who both calls me daddy because I am the only father they have ever known, I had all of my property destroyed that I worked very hard for all because I told my wife that I wanted a divorce...and to top it all off, I got kicked out of a truck driving school for something I didn't do, then come here seeking help just to be told that I am in denial, told that I am an addict and made fun of by the very people I was reaching out to for help. I was desperate, my life had been flipped upside down and it happened so damn fast my head spinned. There has only been two or three people here who gave me respect and didn't judge me. In the end, God or whoever you deem holy, was looking out for me. I have prevailed.

I am not a drug user, much less a drug addict, I was wrongfully accused based off a flawed testing method. Despite everything, I have my life back under control.

Hope you enjoyed your popcorn.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Combination Vehicle:

A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

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