Understanding Personal Conveyance

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Stevo Reno's Comment
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Thanks Old School, yes it has never happened to me like that last load did before hometime. My appt was 10pm, which I didn't know, thought it was another drop-n-hook (wasn't given all the info). So I wasn't going to sit parked in the small street waiting 10+ hours, because I was that early. Called the reciever, luckily the guy fit me in at 6 pm for unload, which still was 4 hours away. So I go off duty in the street. Finally I get docked, and it took em that long, to slowly unload me....Glad I don't get too many live load/unloads....

Now on my QC, in "off duty" mode, it DOES have a drop down box that says "PC" But like you said, it still didn't function as I thought it was supposed to on the QC, so WHY even have it there lol totally useless option. I always burn my 70 clock up, but never had to use PC or safe haven, since I do park, with time left on my days clock, at the very minimum 15 minutes, usually more, as I had to do this week. Then I roll on my recaps a lot, until a day in the week I have none.... That's how I do these 3,200+ mile weeks, and I do get lots of sleep between.....I'm maximizing my net income this last month of driving (well been doin' that since I came to Legends)

I have 5 hrs 48 left but am in Chandler Az taking my 34 at a loves, since this delivery to Wal-Mart DC is @ 12 am appt. And they actually loaded me a day early in Las Vegas. The lady said just don't deliver a day early hahahaha..... Then off short drive to Calexico for cross border load A/C parts to Fontana drop lot, someone else can take it to Oregon

G-Town's Comment
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Steve why didn’t you log yourself in the sleeper for the 4 hour wait?

Thanks Old School, yes it has never happened to me like that last load did before hometime. My appt was 10pm, which I didn't know, thought it was another drop-n-hook (wasn't given all the info). So I wasn't going to sit parked in the small street waiting 10+ hours, because I was that early. Called the reciever, luckily the guy fit me in at 6 pm for unload, which still was 4 hours away. So I go off duty in the street. Finally I get docked, and it took em that long, to slowly unload me....Glad I don't get too many live load/unloads....

Now on my QC, in "off duty" mode, it DOES have a drop down box that says "PC" But like you said, it still didn't function as I thought it was supposed to on the QC, so WHY even have it there lol totally useless option. I always burn my 70 clock up, but never had to use PC or safe haven, since I do park, with time left on my days clock, at the very minimum 15 minutes, usually more, as I had to do this week. Then I roll on my recaps a lot, until a day in the week I have none.... That's how I do these 3,200+ mile weeks, and I do get lots of sleep between.....I'm maximizing my net income this last month of driving (well been doin' that since I came to Legends)

I have 5 hrs 48 left but am in Chandler Az taking my 34 at a loves, since this delivery to Wal-Mart DC is @ 12 am appt. And they actually loaded me a day early in Las Vegas. The lady said just don't deliver a day early hahahaha..... Then off short drive to Calexico for cross border load A/C parts to Fontana drop lot, someone else can take it to Oregon

JakeBreak's Comment
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There have been 2 times that I have used PC for parking. The first was when I parked in a no parking area at a pilot bc i wrongly assumed that reserving myself a spot online before I got there would guarantee me a spot. I was wrong and they wouldn't kick a guy out that didn't pay so I could park. The spot across the road had a spot but I had less than a min left on my clock. So I parked in the no parking area so the cop that was there because someone backed into someone else would ask me to move. Surprisingly it worked out. And I learned to never reserve parking at that pilot.

The second time was actually recently. Running recaps I tend to run down my time and this time was no different I only had 6 mins left on my clock when I came to the rest area surprise. Wyoming closed it, so I had to backtrack to the gas station down the road about 6 miles back. I feel pretty confident that in either situation I could show an enforcement officer that I wasn't advancing the load. The first I moved across the street and the second I actually backtracked 6 miles away from the direction I was heading.

John M.'s Comment
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There is a new tool in my tool box that I didn’t have before, the personal conveyance feature. I understand that it can’t be used to advance a load, but can it be utilized to get to a safe parking spot when your clock is about to expire?

Example: For whatever reason, my 11 hour clock only has five minutes left on it. I’m allowed one hour of PC per day. Can I put myself on PC and then go to a parking location? Let’s say I’ve planned to stop for my 10 hour break at Loves but when I get there it is totally full. Now I only have a few minutes left. Can PC be used to drive to another place to park? And what if there is a Pilot 5 miles down the road that I call and they still have spaces open. But to go to Pilot, I will be advancing the load 5 miles closer to my destination. What would I be able to do in that scenario?

And does the “safe haven” concept come into play here?

I was taught that as long as you treat PC as a round trip and not a one way trip you cant really go wrong. Just pc back to where you started your pc. That said about the only thing I use pc for is to move across the lot to a different parking space when someone with an air dryer constantly purging parks within earshot (drives me up a wall) and no I dont pc back to my original parking space.

Harvey C.'s Comment
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Question: Somewhere on TT someone posted last year that there was a potential problem with this and I'd like your clarification. It might have been from a driver whose brother or brother-in-law was a DOT inspector or other LEO that said he would write people up for this unless they could prove that they had no obligation to carry out any duties such as waiting for paperwork, listening for end of unloading, etc. Do you know if anyone has ever been ticketed for being logged in SB while being unloaded or loaded? I am just curious as I told Michael about this scenario recently. He had an unload that took 7 hours and he had logged into SB and got paid $225 detention pay by Marten which seemed like a great deal.

Steve why didn’t you log yourself in the sleeper for the 4 hour wait?

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Thanks Old School, yes it has never happened to me like that last load did before hometime. My appt was 10pm, which I didn't know, thought it was another drop-n-hook (wasn't given all the info). So I wasn't going to sit parked in the small street waiting 10+ hours, because I was that early. Called the reciever, luckily the guy fit me in at 6 pm for unload, which still was 4 hours away. So I go off duty in the street. Finally I get docked, and it took em that long, to slowly unload me....Glad I don't get too many live load/unloads....

Now on my QC, in "off duty" mode, it DOES have a drop down box that says "PC" But like you said, it still didn't function as I thought it was supposed to on the QC, so WHY even have it there lol totally useless option. I always burn my 70 clock up, but never had to use PC or safe haven, since I do park, with time left on my days clock, at the very minimum 15 minutes, usually more, as I had to do this week. Then I roll on my recaps a lot, until a day in the week I have none.... That's how I do these 3,200+ mile weeks, and I do get lots of sleep between.....I'm maximizing my net income this last month of driving (well been doin' that since I came to Legends)

I have 5 hrs 48 left but am in Chandler Az taking my 34 at a loves, since this delivery to Wal-Mart DC is @ 12 am appt. And they actually loaded me a day early in Las Vegas. The lady said just don't deliver a day early hahahaha..... Then off short drive to Calexico for cross border load A/C parts to Fontana drop lot, someone else can take it to Oregon

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DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
CM59's Comment
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The only time I understand it’s use is for an unexpected or unusual delay at a shipper or receiver to get to the nearest possible safe location.

Not sure what they define that as, but I make sure to look out for time killer places I’m going into as a precaution regardless.

For example, not into a place with 2 hours let. But having enough to your best judgement.

I had a situation I still didn’t need PC but I arrive at 1200 for open delivery until 1700. They don’t have anyone to unload until later that night.

I used PC once last year. There is supposedly a clause about traveling home from a terminal after being relieved of all duties. Seems like that’s for a very particular use case for some drivers.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Noob_Driver's Comment
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The only time I understand it’s use is for an unexpected or unusual delay at a shipper or receiver to get to the nearest possible safe location.

Not sure what they define that as, but I make sure to look out for time killer places I’m going into as a precaution regardless.

For example, not into a place with 2 hours let. But having enough to your best judgement.

I had a situation I still didn’t need PC but I arrive at 1200 for open delivery until 1700. They don’t have anyone to unload until later that night.

I used PC once last year. There is supposedly a clause about traveling home from a terminal after being relieved of all duties. Seems like that’s for a very particular use case for some drivers.

I've used PC several times after my last delivery prior to hometime. Safety gave the ok as long as I logged it as relived of duty-going home. I had no idea about the safe haven being only for hazmat , oops. I've violated quite a few times and just typed in "safe haven" as a comment.

Heres my Omnitracs QC options we're allowed to use PC for.

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HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

CM59's Comment
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That’s something I looked into a bunch as well. I didn’t find text in the rules explicitly about that situation. Awhile back I used it, I was going home for 34 hour weekly and several delays leading up let me 30 minutes short. They didn’t say anything.

Legally it sounds like it’s not or at least the biggest grey area and up to DOT but I should read the rule book again.

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The only time I understand it’s use is for an unexpected or unusual delay at a shipper or receiver to get to the nearest possible safe location.

Not sure what they define that as, but I make sure to look out for time killer places I’m going into as a precaution regardless.

For example, not into a place with 2 hours let. But having enough to your best judgement.

I had a situation I still didn’t need PC but I arrive at 1200 for open delivery until 1700. They don’t have anyone to unload until later that night.

I used PC once last year. There is supposedly a clause about traveling home from a terminal after being relieved of all duties. Seems like that’s for a very particular use case for some drivers.

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I've used PC several times after my last delivery prior to hometime. Safety gave the ok as long as I logged it as relived of duty-going home. I had no idea about the safe haven being only for hazmat , oops. I've violated quite a few times and just typed in "safe haven" as a comment.

Heres my Omnitracs QC options we're allowed to use PC for.

0334684001647298323.jpg

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Noob_Driver's Comment
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I know when we use it leaving a shipper or receiver for parking we're supposed to PC back to that spot when our breaks over and start on duty from that location, which is odd to me.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

CM59's Comment
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Https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/personal-conveyance

I found this summary guide I hadn’t seen before. It expands the clause I was mentioning. Again, a little vague. For me, it’s hard to determine because traveling home for me always advances my load or where I’m picking up a dedicated load from.

“ Commuting between the driver’s terminal and his or her residence, between trailer-drop lots and the driver’s residence, and between work sites and his or her residence. ”

“ Authorized use of a CMV to travel home after working at an offsite location.”

I know when we use it leaving a shipper or receiver for parking we're supposed to PC back to that spot when our breaks over and start on duty from that location, which is odd to me.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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