Understanding Personal Conveyance

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G-Town's Comment
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Harvey the only situation I recall is drivers logging themselves in Sleeper parked at a truck stop them immediately strolling into the store/restaurant/restroom. Never hard of citations issued for what you mentioned.

It’s a sure thing to log what you, do what you log. Must use the log notes for any duty change,

I think it wise for Michael to get clarification from Marten. Also; it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving. If that’s true, very sweet deal, or a misunderstanding.

Question: Somewhere on TT someone posted last year that there was a potential problem with this and I'd like your clarification. It might have been from a driver whose brother or brother-in-law was a DOT inspector or other LEO that said he would write people up for this unless they could prove that they had no obligation to carry out any duties such as waiting for paperwork, listening for end of unloading, etc. Do you know if anyone has ever been ticketed for being logged in SB while being unloaded or loaded? I am just curious as I told Michael about this scenario recently. He had an unload that took 7 hours and he had logged into SB and got paid $225 detention pay by Marten which seemed like a great deal.

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Steve why didn’t you log yourself in the sleeper for the 4 hour wait?

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Thanks Old School, yes it has never happened to me like that last load did before hometime. My appt was 10pm, which I didn't know, thought it was another drop-n-hook (wasn't given all the info). So I wasn't going to sit parked in the small street waiting 10+ hours, because I was that early. Called the reciever, luckily the guy fit me in at 6 pm for unload, which still was 4 hours away. So I go off duty in the street. Finally I get docked, and it took em that long, to slowly unload me....Glad I don't get too many live load/unloads....

Now on my QC, in "off duty" mode, it DOES have a drop down box that says "PC" But like you said, it still didn't function as I thought it was supposed to on the QC, so WHY even have it there lol totally useless option. I always burn my 70 clock up, but never had to use PC or safe haven, since I do park, with time left on my days clock, at the very minimum 15 minutes, usually more, as I had to do this week. Then I roll on my recaps a lot, until a day in the week I have none.... That's how I do these 3,200+ mile weeks, and I do get lots of sleep between.....I'm maximizing my net income this last month of driving (well been doin' that since I came to Legends)

I have 5 hrs 48 left but am in Chandler Az taking my 34 at a loves, since this delivery to Wal-Mart DC is @ 12 am appt. And they actually loaded me a day early in Las Vegas. The lady said just don't deliver a day early hahahaha..... Then off short drive to Calexico for cross border load A/C parts to Fontana drop lot, someone else can take it to Oregon

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DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Steve L.'s Comment
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“ it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving.”

I’m on my second company and neither required me to be “on duty/not driving” in order to receive Detention Pay.

G-Town's Comment
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Okay, thanks for that input. I guess times have changed since I qualified for detention pay. Interested to hear others.

“ it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving.”

I’m on my second company and neither required me to be “on duty/not driving” in order to receive Detention Pay.

CM59's Comment
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I would assume it would be advantageous for the company to let you do so for the fact of saving your on duty hours and being able to use a split sleeper.

I’m not speaking for everyone but it’s pretty common to see this scenario. At a place with long wait times and overnight parking. Dock, rest in sleeper. Creep into parking space. Continue resting. Do paperwork once back on duty. Just seems like part of the job and sometimes the only way it can make sense to at some places that take 5+ hours.

“ it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving.”

I’m on my second company and neither required me to be “on duty/not driving” in order to receive Detention Pay.

Davy A.'s Comment
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Okay, thanks for that input. I guess times have changed since I qualified for detention pay. Interested to hear others.

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“ it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving.”

I’m on my second company and neither required me to be “on duty/not driving” in order to receive Detention Pay.

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I usually log my off duty as SB. I usually hang out in there anyway and the way the zonar is, you have to confirm off duty and the on screen button for it fails a lot, so you think you're off duty while your clock is pleasantly burning off time.

But I have always logged off duty or sleeper and got my detention pay. The only rule we have that I know of is we don't get detention if we're late, even if it's not our fault. Most of the time though they will write it up as brake down or layover instead.

Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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Howdy, y'all !

For anyone still 'around' for this thread / topic,

Understanding Personal Conveyance

Any thoughts on this?!?!? Anyone have 'ties' to the CVSA? (Rainy/Kearsey?)

Seriously, though. Tom uses PC often. I'm pretty sure, in his capacity, 'we have it right,' being in a day cab , but...heck..the FMCSA and the DOT don't even know. This has been SUCH a grey area, for quite some time.

Just 'thinking outside the box' (and inside the wheelhouse) per usual!

Thanks, always

~ Anne ~

Day Cab:

A tractor which does not have a sleeper berth attached to it. Normally used for local routes where drivers go home every night.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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Bump?? Anybody?!?

(Yeah, I know.. like my last topic.. keep the Goobiment out, hehe..)

~ Anne ~

Okay, thanks for that input. I guess times have changed since I qualified for detention pay. Interested to hear others.

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“ it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving.”

I’m on my second company and neither required me to be “on duty/not driving” in order to receive Detention Pay.

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BK's Comment
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Anne, personal conveyance is new to me because my previous company did not allow it. I’ve used it twice now to get to a safe parking location and I’m glad to have this provision. The temptation is to overuse PC and get lazy with trip planning. But it is useful and I’m glad I can use it if I really need to.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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“ it’s customary that a driver can only receive detention pay if they remain on-duty/not driving.”

I’m on my second company and neither required me to be “on duty/not driving” in order to receive Detention Pay.

Reefer I get detention while off duty. Heck I got detention while sitting in a hotel waiting for the load 😂

In tanker however, because they are responsible for the hoses and make Shure nothing happens. My ex had to remain on duty while loading and unloading. It's part of why he got paid more per mile cause he burned up his 70 at customers.

Reefer:

A refrigerated trailer.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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