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Errol V.'s Comment
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"Safe Haven" is only for Hazmat , as Rainy is wondering. But Edward B. has just unloaded anyway. True, Safe Haven won't work here.

"Off Duty Driving" is for O/O's using a tractor for private use. Here's a link that describes "Personal Conveyance" You can use the blue Menu button on the lower right to scroll to Patrick C.'s first comment. (RedGator appears here. Miss her!)

If you are forced to roll past your clock time, be sure to write down the guard's name and badge number, and a contact phone number. Even asking for that might be intimidation enough to leave you alone.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Edward R.'s Comment
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Daniel, nothing is wrong with it. Nothing at all. But this lifestyle is a lot like biker "clubs" . We aren't all the same, you know that. Don't read too much into that statement.

Dave Reid's Comment
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Errol, Off Duty Driving isn't just for O/Os.

If the company permits, a company driver can use personal conveyance mode if unladen and going to/from a place for personal, non-business use/benefit. For example, if we arrive at a shipper and they tell us that our load won't be ready until the next day, we can use personal conveyance to go to a shower/restaurant and back, providing that we are returning to the same spot we left when engaging that mode. I realize that part of the provision is that we cannot move closer to our next dispatch, but in my example we've already driven to our next dispatch, now we're going somewhere for our personal convenience and returning, and that is permitted. Another example would be if we're at a drop yard/terminal/etc., and we want to bobtail to a restaurant or maybe a storage unit (I do this one often) or to the movies, etc., we can do that in personal conveyance mode if our company permits. I'm fortunate to drive for a company that permits this, and I use it often. We are allowed to drive up to 30 miles per day in personal conveyance mode, so long as our useage is lawful.

Another poster stated that we could use off duty driving to get from our last stop to a truck stop or whatever. That is incorrect - if caught doing that by DOT , we'll get a violation.

"Safe Haven" is only for Hazmat , as Rainy is wondering. But Edward B. has just unloaded anyway. True, Safe Haven won't work here.

"Off Duty Driving" is for O/O's using a tractor for private use. Here's a link that describes "Personal Conveyance" You can use the blue Menu button on the lower right to scroll to Patrick C.'s first comment. (RedGator appears here. Miss her!)

If you are forced to roll past your clock time, be sure to write down the guard's name and badge number, and a contact phone number. Even asking for that might be intimidation enough to leave you alone.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Errol V.'s Comment
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Dave, it's true, there are finer points to the P.C. idea. F'rinstance, at Swift there is no line 5 on the Qualcomm log, at least for company drivers.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.
Rainy D.'s Comment
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And it has been greatly debated if "unladen" means bobtail as in not pulling anything including the trailer. others say unladen means not pulling freight. i asked 2 DOT cops and got 2 different answers.

Diver Driver mentioned the unladen wording has changed, but i never looked it up

any info on that guys?

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dave Reid's Comment
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The regs do not define "unladen". So, it is subject to interpretation.

Generally, I believe it is felt that it means not carrying cargo. For semi trucks, bobtail makes it real clear of course, but I belive that one could conceivably be pulling an emtpy trailer and still qualify. For company drivers, it is up to what their company policy is.

Let's consider this: if only bobtail could be permitted, what would be a similar standard for a straight truck? Shed their box? From that it would follow that we could simply not have cargo - that is unladen.

The feds are considering revising the wording to make this clear, but they have not completed this monumental task yet.

And it has been greatly debated if "unladen" means bobtail as in not pulling anything including the trailer. others say unladen means not pulling freight. i asked 2 DOT cops and got 2 different answers.

Diver Driver mentioned the unladen wording has changed, but i never looked it up

any info on that guys?

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Patrick C.'s Comment
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CWC, lol. Funny comment.

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If you start delivering to grocery warehouses this will be something you deal with. It really is just a product of running hard and scheduling tight and a lack of space.

Even if you do have hours but like in Edwards case have sat for 5+hrs sometimes it's worth it to but heads with a security guard.. 3 more hours on top of the 5 he sat for and he could legally roll.

Security is not the top of the food chain and I'm not condoning an argument with them however sometimes you can see this coming and make a call to the office of your company and let someone on that end try and deal with it. Or when you get loaded/unloaded go back into the office and see what they say.

Since I've started pulling tankers I've not had this particular issue. But Ive delt with security guards.. Recently I delivered a load of Palm oil to a chocolate place in TX.

Sop for alot of places is to weigh loaded on the way in and weigh it empty on the way out.

I pulled into the scale and a little while later a guy wearing white overalls comes out to check me in. That's weird because at chocolate places those in white are the ones that unload and usually a security guard checks you in.. No big deal cause I've never been to this place so what do I know?

Get weighed and backed into where I'll be unloaded. 10-15 minutes later a rentacop flys up and parks right in front of my truck. And is yelling at me that I didn't weigh in and I can't just drive in here.

Well... to make a long story short Ret. ARMY what is the 5th general order of a sentry?

Hard to guard when you leave without notice...

Army general orders for sentries

1). I will guard everything within the limits of my post and quit my post only when properly relieved.

2). I will obey my special orders and perform all my duties in a military manner.

3). I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief.

The 4th general order:

4). I will guard my post from flank to flank and take no s**t from any rank.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Turtle's Comment
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I've used off-duty driving to get to a truck stop a couple times. I understand a lot of this is subject to interpretation, thus I've only done it in extreme circumstances.

This is the message Prime sends us regarding off-duty driving:

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Army 's Comment
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Turtle

Great post, thanks. Its nice to read exactly what they send you.

Thanks.

Big Scott's Comment
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At CFI we have the ability to drive up to 50 miles PC. Per a discussion I had with our logs department. We may only use it while not assigned a load. For example if given a load requiring a deadhead to get it, we are "under a load" and cannot use PC. So, if I am bobtail or have an empty trailer and no load And have hours on my clock, I can use PC driving. I was told that using PC to further a load or get to a safe place to shut down is considered falsifying logs by DOT. It is better to violate by a few minutes. They understand that better.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Deadhead:

To drive with an empty trailer. After delivering your load you will deadhead to a shipper to pick up your next load.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

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