Stay Out Of Democrat Cities

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PackRat's Comment
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Those of us who are informed certainly know there is a correlation between large cities run by democrats and higher crime rates, centers of rioting, etc. My point is, why not list this cities in the OP? I mean, last I checked my atlas doesn't depict a large D or R over any cities to denote the political affiliation of it's leadership. But I can see this discussion is futile.

Futile? If one is following national events daily, then it's known which cities may present a problem. That's not going to be in any atlas, either.

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Mikey B.'s Comment
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And of course the obvious elephant in the room, the totally un-PC to mention elephant that literally every one of these cities be they Democrat run or Republican run have in common with regard to rioting and crime is a high concentration of young, predominantly Democratic, socialist or progressive voters. Whats that say about today's youth...

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Kerry L.'s Comment
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Citation? State your source, please. Because I can't find Fort Worth even among the top 65 cities in the nation for murder rate.

Of the Top 20 cities with the highest murder rates in the country, 19 are Democrat led.

US cities with highest murder rate

Deadliest US cities

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/08/06/report-san-antonio-ranks-4th-among-us-cities-with-biggest-increase-in-homicide-rates-in-2020/%3foutputType=amp

The article talks about San Antonio being 4th, but Fort Worth is 3rd. The analysis here is percentage increase in number of homicides.

Please note the democratic majority on the City Council.

Ft Worth City Council

Las Vegas City Council no party affiliation

Las Vegas is #6 on the list that Turtle provided as a link.

Tulsa is #14 and has a Republican mayor.

Atlanta majority Republican city council

Atlanta is #20 on the list that Turtle provided.

Can we say that there are cities that have problems with crime and it's not exclusive to cities with Democratic leadership?

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Kerry L.'s Comment
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And of course the obvious elephant in the room, the totally un-PC to mention elephant that literally every one of these cities be they Democrat run or Republican run have in common with regard to rioting and crime is a high concentration of young, predominantly Democratic, socialist or progressive voters. Whats that say about today's youth...

As was requested of me, which I did provide, please provide your source. I looked and was not able to find any information to neither support nor refute your statement, so I wonder what you are using as a source. If I am challenged and asked to provide a source, then I think it is reasonable for me to challenge your statement and ask for a source.

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Turtle's Comment
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Your source did not back up your statement, Kerry. Not by a long shot. Fort Worth is nowhere even in the ballpark, now is it? And you specifically mentioned the murder rate, not the increase. You can't backtrack on that now.

The fact remains that the vast majority of crime/murder ridden cities are controlled by democrats, as evidenced by all studies. There is no comparison. That's a fact you cannot dispute.

If you are going to make bold assertions, you're going to have to do better than that.

Andrey's Comment
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There is no need for numbers, common sense is more than enough. Democrats push gun control, so legal gun owners don't carry in blue cities, which gives criminals a monopoly in gun ownership and usage. On the contrary, if everybody carries, criminals have no advantage, and crime rates decrease.

Sid V.'s Comment
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Kerry do you drive a truck?

Have you been to Chicago? Detroit? Gary Indiana, east st. Louis?... those are places notorious with a crime problem. Not Dallasftw.

From the many times I've been to Dallasftw, I think it's a nice place. And I'm from Chicago.

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midnight fox's Comment
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I don't think the government is directly responsible for nearly as much as people tend to think it is. Crime, jobs, prices, etc. My impression is large cities have certain things about them that shape why majorities of their citizens vote for one party over the other, and certain things about them that explain higher rates of crime.

I like these graphs from California:

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It's refreshing to think not everything is political. smile.gif

Bklyn Dreams's Comment
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To me, the only elephant in this room is the narrative. Yall are using the same dehumanizing, division stoking rhetoric that the right wing pundits spew on a daily basis. Let's take the vaccine. Every single person that works at Fox News is vaccinated. Their company mandates that they do so or are fired. Yet they go on their rants about covid this & mandate that.

You say those animals are rioting & looting while blaming Democrat as the problem. "The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories, as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality." [Wikipedia]

Rather than looking at the majority of the peaceful demonstrators, you single out the loud & unruly few. The lens is only pointing at what they want you to see. You live in mostly homogeneous communities where the police are your neighbors & friends.

In cities, most police come from outside then judge us harshly & treat us with disdain while constantly throwing their power over us. In our community, the police were worse than the so called criminals. Many of them even moonlighted for drug dealers. They would rob the competition then sell those drugs.

Here's what Politifact has to say about the arguments being made here.

*A viral Facebook post links "America’s deadliest cities" with having a "Democrat majority," implying a causal connection.

The data cited has some fundamental issues, notably that it uses out-of-date FBI data and ranks cities by crime rate when the FBI specifically warns against doing so.

This glosses over the array of intensely local factors that influence crime. Violent crime in particular stems from a limited group of people in a limited area, so assuming that segment has a particular political bent based on the city at large — and that their violence stems from those politics — is a stretch at best.

Large cities do have more crime. And they do have more Democrats — both in terms of general voting and local leadership. But it’s a classic example of correlation without evidence of causality.*

Here are the things that you aren't considering while making your arguments. Most of you think that none of the problems facing cities stems from systemic racism or police misconduct or concentrated poverty or the war on drugs or the neglect of cities by the federal government, it’s all because the various mayors and council members have a “D” after their names.

Why is it OK for a minor to cross state lines with an illegally gotten firearm & kill unarmed blacks? Yet, a black with the same circumstances will serve a mandatory minimum? Why is the drug problem in cities a criminal problem but a mental health issue in rural america? Why is gerrymandering legal?

Finally, if you lasted this long, let me repeat, yall are are debating about data that "the varied demographic and cultural factors at play in each city make comparing raw data like this a questionable exercise. The FBI explicitly warns against this type of ranking."

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OWI:

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PackRat's Comment
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To me, the only elephant in this room is the narrative. Yall are using the same dehumanizing, division stoking rhetoric that the right wing pundits spew on a daily basis. Let's take the vaccine. Every single person that works at Fox News is vaccinated. Their company mandates that they do so or are fired. Yet they go on their rants about covid this & mandate that.

You say those animals are rioting & looting while blaming Democrat as the problem. "The protests spread to over 2,000 cities and towns in all 50 states and all 5 permanently-inhabited territories, as well as in over 60 other countries, with demonstrators supporting those seeking justice for Floyd and the wider Black Lives Matter movement, and speaking out against police brutality." [Wikipedia]

Rather than looking at the majority of the peaceful demonstrators, you single out the loud & unruly few. The lens is only pointing at what they want you to see. You live in mostly homogeneous communities where the police are your neighbors & friends.

In cities, most police come from outside then judge us harshly & treat us with disdain while constantly throwing their power over us. In our community, the police were worse than the so called criminals. Many of them even moonlighted for drug dealers. They would rob the competition then sell those drugs.

Here's what Politifact has to say about the arguments being made here.

*A viral Facebook post links "America’s deadliest cities" with having a "Democrat majority," implying a causal connection.

The data cited has some fundamental issues, notably that it uses out-of-date FBI data and ranks cities by crime rate when the FBI specifically warns against doing so.

This glosses over the array of intensely local factors that influence crime. Violent crime in particular stems from a limited group of people in a limited area, so assuming that segment has a particular political bent based on the city at large — and that their violence stems from those politics — is a stretch at best.

Large cities do have more crime. And they do have more Democrats — both in terms of general voting and local leadership. But it’s a classic example of correlation without evidence of causality.*

Here are the things that you aren't considering while making your arguments. Most of you think that none of the problems facing cities stems from systemic racism or police misconduct or concentrated poverty or the war on drugs or the neglect of cities by the federal government, it’s all because the various mayors and council members have a “D” after their names.

Why is it OK for a minor to cross state lines with an illegally gotten firearm & kill unarmed blacks? Yet, a black with the same circumstances will serve a mandatory minimum? Why is the drug problem in cities a criminal problem but a mental health issue in rural america? Why is gerrymandering legal?

Finally, if you lasted this long, let me repeat, yall are are debating about data that "the varied demographic and cultural factors at play in each city make comparing raw data like this a questionable exercise. The FBI explicitly warns against this type of ranking."

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